How can I achieve this type of distortion with a software

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The whole track:

youtu.be/oDGqw_OQRpI

And the drums here, more subtle than the first example:

youtu.be/PaYklVmYxnc

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Sounds like clipping to me, should be easy enough to recreate itb.
how far do you want to go

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Digital clipping will never get you that authentic lo-fi sound. If you do a forum search for 'saturation' you will find a lot of nice analogue-style saturation plugins. Getting some nice saturation on your tracks is easy, but getting that really driven, authentic analogue sound that sounds like it's almost disintegrating with software is actually pretty damn hard, I think. A lot of these lo-fi producers actually work ITB but it just sounds different than something like a Relative record that was actually done all analogue. I think the key is using the right samples, the samples in the first track are super lo fi. Sounds like a vintage radio recording pressed onto vinyl, ripped and then run through tape again or something. For drums try something like Goldbaby's tape samples, getting that same texture with ITB saturation is basically impossible.

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I have TR-8 for the usual 808/909 sounds. I've tried overdriving them via my interface or using native Ableton saturation/limiter plugins but I couldn't even come close.

If I had to guess the first one sounds like it's coming from a cassette player and drums on the second is connected to some sort of box that can saturate the sounds with a character.

I don't know more.

Edit: I wrote Fabio a message on FB and asked how did he achieve that sound. Let's see if he'll answer :D

Edit 2: Apparently the whole EP mastered by "Reel Mastering" and used a reel to reel. It can be the answer I'm looking for.

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Monreal wrote:I have TR-8 for the usual 808/909 sounds. I've tried overdriving them via my interface or using native Ableton saturation/limiter plugins but I couldn't even come close.
Of course not, never rely on distortion from limiters. I dont know how good the Ableton saturation tools are, but this is all about know-how to achieve this sound.
It sounds very much like a pre mid emphasized valve distortion to me.

Monreal wrote:Edit 2: Apparently the whole EP mastered by "Reel Mastering" and used a reel to reel. It can be the answer I'm looking for.
That much coloration will never come from mastering.
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Mattias wrote:
Monreal wrote:I have TR-8 for the usual 808/909 sounds. I've tried overdriving them via my interface or using native Ableton saturation/limiter plugins but I couldn't even come close.
Of course not, never rely on distortion from limiters. I dont know how good the Ableton saturation tools are, but this is all about know-how to achieve this sound.
It sounds very much like a pre mid emphasized valve distortion to me.
Well I've tried :P

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Yep that's good man!
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If you want to do this itb, which is piss easy BTW, you just need some of the next gen saturation, overdrive distortion and amp modelling software.

There is a thread where I list a ton of amazing plugins that do stuff like valve breakup, analog signal degredation, tape emulation etc really really well. I discovered it all whilst making my heavy metal album and diving in to the metal community. Guitarists are very picky about their distortion and valve sounds.
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Other tricks are things like using modulated pitch and freq FX to give a wobbly tape sound or a out of tune synth effect. I know a lot of virtual analog synths have stuff built in but it can be a bit subtle at times.

Certains sample packs also give you tools such as cassette and vinyl "halo" sounds you can layer to help percussion sound more analog before processing with further FX. I think the ones I have are Wave Alchemy.

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yamaha rx5 and pitch shit down.
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with software you'll need to bit crush it with something like "redux" record it then pitch it down a bit
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I would also love to find out how Fabio Monesi gets that raw sound on his beats.

Shattered Glass Audio's Sga1566 is a great free plug in which can really beef things up if you haven't used that one before. I also use Decimort 2 and a bit of tape saturation such as Kramer or Smackos.

Struggling to get things sounding anywhere near as good as Fabio's though

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Is that Rezzett track a piss take? God I feel old...

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Sounds like a tube amp to me (the top one) possibly even guitar, as i can hear harsh cabinet resonances in the higher mids.the overall spectrum suggests a cabinet of some sort aswell.if not that then at some point, this was piped through a really shit speaker (old hifi equipment possibly)

If you wanted to get this ITB i think you'd need something like Reaktor.if you are just after the distortion itself and not the whole picture,Decapitator should satisfy you or a couple of instances of SDRR (hell of a lot cheaper than Soundtoys shit aswell)

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ITB: D16's Decimort / Devastor would be worth exploring.

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processing wrote:ITB: D16's Decimort / Devastor would be worth exploring.
Decent suggestions but you wont get it to sound anything like what the OP is after.Devastor is based on diode clipping,which is more like guitar pedal distortion and i'm guessing the preamp stage of decimort is based on an op-amp? (doesn't say i am speculating considering it is based on akais and what not).neither break up anything like tube or transformer distortion which is what the top clip definitely sounds like

Better suggestion would be their Redoptor but i think it's abit shit to be honest.for this atleast

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Positive Grid BIAS
LePou Amps
Amplitube
Recabinet
StudioDevil

All these will do what you need. BIAS is by far the best.
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Lost to the Void wrote:Positive Grid BIAS
LePou Amps
Amplitube
Recabinet
StudioDevil

All these will do what you need. BIAS is by far the best.

BIAS is pretty sick but they need to sort out those naming conventions in the Transformer section.compression and attack and what not.most people are going to take those literally.why not power soak or sag. which is what it is pretty much called on every single plugin that models tube rectifier amps.i was confused myself at first before i bothered to read the manual.either way :mrgreen:

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Lost to the Void wrote:Positive Grid BIAS
LePou Amps
Amplitube
Recabinet
StudioDevil

All these will do what you need. BIAS is by far the best.
so is the BIAS mostly used on every scar is a victory?
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Mslwte wrote:
Lost to the Void wrote:Positive Grid BIAS
LePou Amps
Amplitube
Recabinet
StudioDevil

All these will do what you need. BIAS is by far the best.
so is the BIAS mostly used on every scar is a victory?
Ah no.
Every Scar is a nightmare mix of a list of plugins and real amps and OTB modellers, there`s a whole swathe of free stuff I listed in some other thread about distortion where I list all the best stuff out there (that I use). I tended to ,generally on each track, spread the usage. There was roughly 3 guitars per track, 1 was always real, 1 was OTB modelled and one was plugin. Bass was always plugins, as it was always synth based, (soon to change as I have just recently bought a bass guitar), OTB synth generally went through OTB processing and ITB synths ITB. Drums were generally run through ITB stuff and also were a mix of real drums and vst/sample based.

I tend to reach for BIAS first these days as I also got BIAS FX, which is awesome, and I`m doing a couple of EP`s of Metal stuff for a couple of different labels and I`m mostly using BIAS now.

This remix was all BIAS, all the distortion on all the parts is BIAS and BIAS fx, so you get a better idea of what it`s like, the original track wasn`t metal.
youtu.be/ovDu2c6IJWw

For me (and a huge chunk of the metal community) BIAS is THE answer for amp modelling.

I am buying myself an Atomic Amplifire for OTB use (besides a Kemper, it`s as good as amp modelling gets in hardware, and much cheaper, some say better), but that is so I can play live this year and not have to cart amps about to gigs.
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