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StacieAnne wrote:
Dust Layer wrote:Before exercises maybe you should look at what you eat and how much?
This. Eating is 80% of the battle.

I follow a vegan diet for ethical reasons. The health benefits are basically ridiculous. In the 2 years I have been living this life style I have never felt better and never eaten better.
I eat as much as I want without counting calories. I eat when I am hungry and I eat until I am full and I don't feel like shit after.

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Can I just give you a personal story to contradict yours a bit Stace ?

My wife is a huge animal lover, so she was a vegetarian from when she was 15 till after our oldest got born 8 years ago,
all for ethical reasons, just like you.
In fact, when I learned to cook, I learned to cook vegetarian first, and for years I was even a little nervous if I had to prepare anything with expensive meat in my kitchen.

My wife almost bled to death when she got a huge bleeding right after giving birth to our oldest,
so she was forced by doctors to start eating meat again, because she needed the iron.
We do have iron pills of course, but she got terribly sick from that stuff, so that was no option.
Anyway, before she ate meat again, she was always complaining about how tired she felt,
and she just drank coffee and energy drinks tons of time.
She literally said that as soon as she started eating meat again, she felt sooo much better.
And trust me when I say I always cooked healthy meals (and still do), and we looked for a decent vegetarian diet,..
And the last thing she ever wanted to admit was that meat could actually prove to be healthy.

In the end : I never felt any difference between eating vegetarian and eating with meat.
But I always felt a massive difference between eating unhealthy food and healthy food.
If I eat junk food like McDonalds once a year, it will be a lot,
and as a student I ate so much junk food, it was terrible,
but as soon as I started working out seriously, I never felt like eating that shit again.
People don't believe me if say I almost never eat candy, and maybe 4x a year some chocolate.
But I just never wanted to eat that stuff anymore after doing lots of sports.
It was as if my body automatically started asking for healthy food.
So yeah, for me doing sports led me to eating healthy, and not vice versa.

But anyway, my original point was : I don't think this works for everyone. Some people just need meat to have more energy, others don't.

Who knows, maybe some day you'll completely shock Paul and Lily by saying you're pregnant,
and your body is gonna crave for nothing but unhealthy junk food... :lol:
Everyone is different, yeah you are right but you need to look at the particular things you are eating and the way you are grouping your foods.
There are certain food that will just by eating them make you feel tired after, hello, standard Christmas dinner anyone? I attributed that to diary in most cases. It is pretty awful for you. It is the milk a cow, for a baby cow, to get it from a calf up to a massive great animal in the fastest time possible. Also, with dairy, the growth hormones that go into it, not good. If you know of anyone who is unfortunate enough to have a tumor of some kind the worth thing that can do is to keep on consuming something with the hormone in. Makes sense really if you think about it.
The BIGGEST change in how I felt came from cutting it out dairy. My skin got amazing, I didn't feel lethargic and I was actually, for the first time in my life feeling less tired when I woke up in the morning (I am NOT a morning person and should come with a warning against being spoken to before 10am, unless I am still up from the night before, in which case it is game)
The other thing is, people have certain groups of food that they might not be intollerent to but they just don't seem to agree with their body. It is always worth knowing that they are.

All the vegans I know (I don't know THAT many) are all happy, thriving and healthy. It isn't for everyone, I get that and I can't stand people that try and force their opinions on other people. I get it is hard to see people thinking they are being ethical in other ways but not considering how bad it is for the planet but I gives a not very nice impression of veganism. It is my choice and my choice alone. I would never tell anyone to eat a certain way and for some people who are in a food oasis it simply isn't even doable.

I do take a B12 tablet every day as that is the ONLY thing I can't get from a balanced, healthy diet and, yes, I get enough protein (I get so bored of people asking that)

If that day every comes Hades I would not stop being vegan. No fucking way. It is healthy and I don't really do junk food.

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StacieAnne wrote:
Everyone is different, yeah you are right but you need to look at the particular things you are eating and the way you are grouping your foods.
There are certain food that will just by eating them make you feel tired after, hello, standard Christmas dinner anyone? I attributed that to diary in most cases. It is pretty awful for you. It is the milk a cow, for a baby cow, to get it from a calf up to a massive great animal in the fastest time possible. Also, with dairy, the growth hormones that go into it, not good. If you know of anyone who is unfortunate enough to have a tumor of some kind the worth thing that can do is to keep on consuming something with the hormone in. Makes sense really if you think about it.
The BIGGEST change in how I felt came from cutting it out dairy. My skin got amazing, I didn't feel lethargic and I was actually, for the first time in my life feeling less tired when I woke up in the morning (I am NOT a morning person and should come with a warning against being spoken to before 10am, unless I am still up from the night before, in which case it is game)
The other thing is, people have certain groups of food that they might not be intollerent to but they just don't seem to agree with their body. It is always worth knowing that they are.

All the vegans I know (I don't know THAT many) are all happy, thriving and healthy. It isn't for everyone, I get that and I can't stand people that try and force their opinions on other people. I get it is hard to see people thinking they are being ethical in other ways but not considering how bad it is for the planet but I gives a not very nice impression of veganism. It is my choice and my choice alone. I would never tell anyone to eat a certain way and for some people who are in a food oasis it simply isn't even doable.

I do take a B12 tablet every day as that is the ONLY thing I can't get from a balanced, healthy diet and, yes, I get enough protein (I get so bored of people asking that)

If that day every comes Hades I would not stop being vegan. No fucking way. It is healthy and I don't really do junk food.
you get enough protein Stace ?? cause I'm worried about you now ! :mrgreen:

no, seriously, you are rather right about milk though.
a LOT of people are actually allergic to milk but don't know it.
My oldest used to be a semi-couch potato child, which is in sharp contrast with my usual highly energetic self, but then my mrs is a very relaxed person compared to me, and my oldest is totally like my mrs, to be honest, in almost every way.
She used to be sick a lot, again in contrast to me, I'm almost never sick.
She was examined in the best hospital in Belgium, and they found a few basic allergies, again just like my mrs.
But later on we took her to a specialist someone recommended us : milk allergy.
Since she stopped drinking milk (eating cheese,...), so yeah consuming any form of "dairy" is the word I guess, the difference has been night and day :
she now climbs trees, has tons of energy, is 10x less sick than before, eats 3x as much,...

My mrs always has terrible sinusitis. Her nose has been operated, no result.
Basically, 80% of the year it's total shit for her. Very annoying.
It even goes so far that they change her appointment in the hospital to fit with the visit of other European specialists, who then say "ahh, we've seen that nose before" when they meet her for the 1st time in real life, talking about the pics of her nose that go all around Europe (haha, some fame !).
We went to the same specialist : same thing : no more dairy.
Now the nose is still the nose, but her whole physical health has been so much better, and the nose now works at least 70% of the time. :D

My youngest has a dairy allergy as well, so yeah, I'm in the kitchen, and all these recepies with bechamel sauce...
Lasagna, Moussaka,...
And of course we have Soya milk all the time, and I know you can use soya cream and blablabla,
but it's not the same taste.
I'm basically the slave of my 3 women, as usual... :lol:

Who knows, maybe I have that allergy as well, but I only take a little bit of milk in my coffee, and never drink milk like that.
I do love yoghourt though, but ever since I've become the only person who can eat it, I cut down on that massively as well.
But cheese, mmmm...

We still eat vegetarian about 2 times a week at least.


Stace, you can be totally NOT into junk food, or chocolate, or chicken wings or...
and then when you get pregnant, your body just craves for the most hilarious stuff.
Seriously, you can say whatever you like about your intentions, but your body becomes totally different at that point.
I've seen it happen so many times with all my sisters, friends and my own mrs : they eat the craziest things, even if they never liked these things before.
Gherkins with chocolate cream (seriously), herring, all kinds of sausages,...

My mrs kept a vegetarian diet when she was pregnant of our 1st, but not for our 2nd.
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just gotta keep everything in balance and all...
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Hades wrote:
SigEnt wrote:BTW, Amphetamine Sulphate is cheaper than a Gym membership and will certainly keep the pounds off..... just sayin' ;)

Have you ever seen a fat speed freak?.......... nope, thought not.
ow if it was only that simple.

I know someone who's on top at all times,
and yet is slowly gaining weight before the final heart attack... :D

looking back at this one after a while, I would like to make it clear that I am totally talking about someone else than myself
(because I somehow fear that's how it kind of comes across)


just to be clear, I ain't a saint, but a speed junkie I most certainly am not ! ;)

I could go into details about that other person, but obviously I can't do this for privacy reasons...
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Been exercising daily for about a week now.

A week ago, I was able to do just 5 pushups, today I did 20! Somehow, I don't think I can quadruple the amount every week though....

I've also been practicing kicking and stretching, cos I want to be able to do head-high roundhouse kicks again. I need those when I start practicing the karate I talked about earlier. Not much progress in this area yet though, maybe slightly more fluid kicks than before.
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make sure you do your push-ups properly,
I can't tell you how many times I see people do them bad.
your whole body has to be one straight line.
no floor-fucking because your dick is too low too the ground,
and no expecting-dick-in-the-ass either cause you stick your ass higher up.
also, try and get a hold of some of these push-up handles.
That way you won't be overworking your wrists.

and look up some good push-up variations.
You've be amazed to see how many variations there are and how much difference they make.

and do them SLOW, not fast.
All that work your way up to 100,
I've never liked that stuff.
In all these years in the gym, I've never seen any serious person doing some exercise 100x, but maximum 30,
they all did it slow though, not fast.
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I used to do lots of pushups when I was younger. All kinds of, normal, knuckle, one hand, with fingers etc. I try to do them properly, I don't cheat.

I don't need those handles, as I don't usually do normal pushups at all. My wrists aren't that flexible, so they can get sore with normal pushups. I do knuckle pushups instead, they don't burden the wrist at all. Someone might call that cheating though, as knuckle pushups are easier than normal pushups, at least for me.
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Regarding the 100 pushups thing, while I won't do the actual program at the moment, it's something that I must consider in the future. I was checking out some belt requirements for the karate style I'm going to study, and it apparently has some pretty strict condition requirements. If you want a brown belt, you HAVE to be able to make 100 pushups, black belts even more. Of course, brown belt means like 4-5 years of hard practice, so I'm not in a hurry, if I ever reach that far.
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of course, I am only talking about the going to the gym (or regular build muscles exercises),
but I will give you (and anyone who cares to read this) the only 3 tips I have learned in 15+ years of going to the gym.
(and I really mean only, which gives anyone an idea of how boring going the gym really is)

now, of course given the fact that you know and do every exercise properly (ask the guy in the gym how to do it, don't suppose you know it) :

1. do your exercises SLOW, of courses there are many "types" of working out, but in general, you will have far more result if you do them slow than if you do them fast.
For a lot of the equipment, the ideal way would be "do the back movement twice as slow as the front movement"
meaning for example with the "butterfly" : when you push those things towards each other, you count to 3
when you move them back, you count to 6.
This is just an example of course.
(If you really want to challenge yourself, try holding them at the top position for a few seconds. not recommended for beginners though)

2. change the order of your exercises and throw in a few new ones from time to time. I'm guessing most people throw in a few ones from time to time because it's already far boring enough, but please : CHANGE THE ORDER. I can't tell you how important this one is while it wouldn't even take away more of your time if you do the same training schedule
Your muscles are lazy, so if they once learn and remember the order you're always doing your exercises in, then they will adjust to that, and your result will be far less than if you always follow the same routine. I sin far too much on that one, but I guess that's usually because my shoulder press used to be very bad in my early years, and my pec exercises are on a very high level, which means I risk having injuries if I do them too late in my normal routine.

3. take as many "combination" exercises as you can. Meaning that if there are exercises only for your triceps or biceps or whateverceps, just don't bother too much, unless you have far too much time anyway and really wanna look like Jean-Claud Vandamme or whatever... :roll:
Seriously, you wanna get the maximum out of it for your body in the shortest time possible ?
Then take exercises which for example train your biceps and your shoulders and your back at the same time, they will give you far more than just some biceps only exercise.

Those are my general 3 tips I can give anyone who really wants to do this.
Other than that, all I can think of from the back of my head...
if you got that machine in there to train the muscles around your backspine : motherfucking DO IT !!! Every single visit !!
People forget that, and yet it's vital once you enter a certain level where you use serious weights when you work out.
If you don't have proper back(spine) muscles, you will start abusing your whole body because at the end of your series, when you get tired, you won't be able to keep straight anymore,
and move too much to the left or to the right, and you can get serious injuries.

And another one I've learned the hard way : do the machines and less exercises with the lose weights.
Why ? your chances are far less to injure yourself with machines than with lose weight.
When I started working out I was an extremely skinny guy weighing only 58 kilo's (1m81 high), now I weigh almost 80 (and no, not all of this is muscle anymore, sadly :lol: ),
but when you don't even weigh 60 kilo's, I can assure it's easy to "misform" and therefore injure your body in a gym, especially with lose weights where your own body weight is far more important.
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Hades wrote: 1. do your exercises SLOW, of courses there are many "types" of working out, but in general, you will have far more result if you do them slow than if you do them fast.

While this is probably true if you want to build big muscles and strength per se, is it also true if speed is also a goal? In many martial arts, speed is of extreme importance, as it equals to kicks and punches that have more power, as well as of course being able to move faster, dodge faster, block faster etc.

I know, 2 minutes of googling would have found a real answer. I just like typing stuff.
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No, Hades is correct, form over speed as one of your aims is to build strength, doing push ups faster isn't going to build twitch muscle speed as efficiently. You need to be doing more than a few push-ups as well, so try adding more core strength exercises into your routine. Push ups will quickly develop your triceps (trust me here), so you'll look a little odd if you don't develop other areas as well. Also, when you do them, instead of trying to do as many as you can, do reps that are close to your limits but with a little rest in between- this will improve you faster.

Speed should be covered by other exercises and you should probably throw some cardio in there as well because you'll want to do something fast and have the energy to do it over and over again. Go out for a jog or do a bit of swimming.

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Hades wrote:how boring going the gym really is
You need to join a gym with more women ;)

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I've no interest or knowledge of fitness regimes but I was always under the impression that working fast with lighter weights/exercise routines was far healthier than slowly working heavier weights, more of a cardio test ..

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Anyone suggest good sites explaining nutrition and exercise and all that guff?! I need a nap now after all this typing...

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surface wrote:I've no interest or knowledge of fitness regimes but I was always under the impression that working fast with lighter weights/exercise routines was far healthier than slowly working heavier weights, more of a cardio test ..
It's not that simple and depend on your aims. I think the best way to approach fitness is as a balanced routine that incorporate strength, cardio, speed and endurance. But if you're a distance runner you have differing needs to a power lifter, so routines need tailoring. A great way to build fitness is to play a team sport imo, they usually demand a balanced set of attributes which helps to stop you obsessing over one aspect of your routine and they're fun.

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surface wrote:Anyone suggest good sites explaining nutrition and exercise and all that guff?! I need a nap now after all this typing...
There's some mind-blowing ideas here:

youtu.be/AflBFagRplo

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Planar wrote:No, Hades is correct, form over speed as one of your aims is to build strength, doing push ups faster isn't going to build twitch muscle speed as efficiently. You need to be doing more than a few push-ups as well, so try adding more core strength exercises into your routine. Push ups will quickly develop your triceps (trust me here), so you'll look a little odd if you don't develop other areas as well. Also, when you do them, instead of trying to do as many as you can, do reps that are close to your limits but with a little rest in between- this will improve you faster.

Speed should be covered by other exercises and you should probably throw some cardio in there as well because you'll want to do something fast and have the energy to do it over and over again. Go out for a jog or do a bit of swimming.
Believe me, I am doing other stuff than just pushups too. Different abs exercises, squats, martials arts related exercises (kicks and punches), then I have this thing which I don't know a name in english for, it looks like two sticks with spring in the middle, which helps other hand muscles to develop, then I have a balance board, which is useful for many things. I'll buy some more stuff in the near future.

I don't like gyms though. I don't mind exercising in one IF the gym is very close to my home, it's free or very cheap and most of all, it's mostly empty, not full of sweatty, grunting bodybuilders. In other words, I never go to the gym.
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oversimplifier wrote:
surface wrote:Anyone suggest good sites explaining nutrition and exercise and all that guff?! I need a nap now after all this typing...
There's some mind-blowing ideas here:

youtu.be/AflBFagRplo
Thanks man. Will check it out.
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Paleo diet? Really? *looks worried* ANY diet is always going to end is fail. You need to change your entire lifestyle not just diet for a few weeks.


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