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Anyone going to Code in Leeds 25th of July? Andreas Kraemer and Glen Wilson ....
Can't wait!

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Had great time Leeds is good spot. No sign of GWilson but Andeas Kraemer was unreal.
Jon Connor rocked the place also knew him online for years finally met him top bloke. Highly recommend the code nights good vibe sound people epic venue

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Wilson blew out the gig?
What a surprise.
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what's with these guys like andreas kraemer who used to make hard techno stuff (before schranz became a 'thing')

and now just make this boring, soulless big room shit like nierech

everything i've ever heard from glen wilson has been vanilla as fuck

blergh

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Second time he didnt show up for me now.

Kraemer smashed it . Dont get where you coming from with souless big room shit he played proper hard techno

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ozias_leduc wrote:
everything i've ever heard from glen wilson has been vanilla as fuck

blergh
Not sure what Vanilla as fuck means but if its a bad thing you can jog on as you clearly don't understand proper hard techno

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Yeah I`d never say Wilson was vanilla. He got a bit samey after a while, loopy loopy loop, but it was never really vanilla.
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ozias_leduc wrote:what's with these guys like andreas kraemer who used to make hard techno stuff (before schranz became a 'thing')

and now just make this boring, soulless big room shit like nierech
You`re getting your andreas`s confused.
Andreas Kraemer used to make hard techno, and then schranze, and still makes hard techno.

Andreas Kramer used to make kinda generic hard stuff, and now makes beige as puke generic gasmask techno like Niereich.
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Lost to the Void wrote:
ozias_leduc wrote:what's with these guys like andreas kraemer who used to make hard techno stuff (before schranz became a 'thing')

and now just make this boring, soulless big room shit like nierech
You`re getting your andreas`s confused.
Andreas Kraemer used to make hard techno, and then schranze, and still makes hard techno.

Andreas Kramer used to make kinda generic hard stuff, and now makes beige as puke generic gasmask techno like Niereich.

Otherway around Andreas Kraemer - Construct Rhythm, Blackoutaudio stuff with Thomas Podghal

Andreas Kremmer - Life form records, working vinyl

Go way out of that beige as puke generic gasmask techno!! :-P

Glenn Wilson music certainly it isn't boring once you get it. It did more than just loop the loop stuff. Some incredible works Audio Emotion, Punish, submissions, Tonal path.

The loopy stuff had a purpose and it proper hard techno nail on the head. It didnt need to be anymore than that if you know what I mean?

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The Negativity is unreal haha Next ye all be saying that Bumload is not cool. Yes it can be maybe not as much as use to be

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ozias_leduc wrote:what's with these guys like andreas kraemer who used to make hard techno stuff (before schranz became a 'thing')

and now just make this boring, soulless big room shit like nierech
You`re getting your andreas`s confused.
Andreas Kraemer used to make hard techno, and then schranze, and still makes hard techno.

Andreas Kramer used to make kinda generic hard stuff, and now makes beige as puke generic gasmask techno like Niereich.

Otherway around Andreas Kraemer - Construct Rhythm, Blackoutaudio stuff with Thomas Podghal

Andreas Kremmer - Life form records, working vinyl

Go way out of that beige as puke generic gasmask techno!! :-P

Glenn Wilson music certainly it isn't boring once you get it. It did more than just loop the loop stuff. Some incredible works Audio Emotion, Punish, submissions, Tonal path.

The loopy stuff had a purpose and it proper hard techno nail on the head. It didnt need to be anymore than that if you know what I mean?
Oh, in that case Ozias is right, Kraemer is making shockingly turgid generic gasmask techno with Niereich. Oh dear.

https://pro.beatport.com/track/echoes-k ... ix/5528289
https://pro.beatport.com/track/echoes-k ... ix/6078118
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Lost to the Void wrote:
bergertron wrote:
Lost to the Void wrote:
You`re getting your andreas`s confused.
Andreas Kraemer used to make hard techno, and then schranze, and still makes hard techno.

Andreas Kramer used to make kinda generic hard stuff, and now makes beige as puke generic gasmask techno like Niereich.

Otherway around Andreas Kraemer - Construct Rhythm, Blackoutaudio stuff with Thomas Podghal

Andreas Kremmer - Life form records, working vinyl

Go way out of that beige as puke generic gasmask techno!! :-P

Glenn Wilson music certainly it isn't boring once you get it. It did more than just loop the loop stuff. Some incredible works Audio Emotion, Punish, submissions, Tonal path.

The loopy stuff had a purpose and it proper hard techno nail on the head. It didnt need to be anymore than that if you know what I mean?
Oh, in that case Ozias is right, Kraemer is making shockingly turgid generic gasmask techno with Niereich. Oh dear.

https://pro.beatport.com/track/echoes-k ... ix/5528289
https://pro.beatport.com/track/echoes-k ... ix/6078118

ha feck off!
Well he mentioned Schranz in the same sentence of either of the two Andreas Kraemer/Kremer that's where he went wrong to start with and also Glenn Wilson is Vanilla?

Quite insulting for such a legend of the Techno world

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I was a huge fan of the schranz and I would never rate Andreas Kremer in that category

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I think what kremer/kraemer/kremmer/kramer, whatever, set down was the groundwork for schranze. I don`t remember him ever doing the man-sawing-a-piece-of-wood type genericism that schranze became (and eventually became comedy), but certainly that hard sound was the beginning. Half bar loops and crunched drums.

I`ve got a few construct rhythms in my collection, some of it was cool beans.
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Lost to the Void wrote:I think what kremer/kraemer/kremmer/kramer, whatever, set down was the groundwork for schranze. I don`t remember him ever doing the man-sawing-a-piece-of-wood type genericism that schranze became (and eventually became comedy), but certainly that hard sound was the beginning. Half bar loops and crunched drums.

I`ve got a few construct rhythms in my collection, some of it was cool beans.
Yeah agree dirty nasty deadly techno that more likely influenced the schranz scene but seemed like he kept is distance from that labeling of that type of hard techno.

Construct Rhythm is a great label (This is the other Andreas Kraemer now haha, Confusing I know!!) Loved the stuff on the blackout audio label also absolutely kicking stuff

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Never heard of either Kraemer. Can u please post some tracks of the good Kraemer to check out?

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I used to love the Drizzly group of labels.

Swop records was my fave of that group. Jerk, Drizzly, Form, Composure. A lot of that did go on to become schranze, but I`d jumped ship by then.

This was a Andreas Krämer tune I loved on SWOP

youtu.be/kgsIRC5Tjhk

Just straight up techno.
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youtu.be/qlSJYdipVv0
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