the film topic

[Mslwte]

I watched showgirls last night with my mrs. Not seen it before. I'm not to sure what the story was about but all the naked women in it was really good.

[Lost to the Void]

That film is a classic, so funny

[Hades]

still gotta watch showgirls some day.
I heard many stories about how it's so bad it's actually good.

[Hades]

What's it called ?

"Gohatto"
Since the Japs lost the war, the English title for the rest of you is "Tabou".

Who was responsible for making this crap ? And should I know him/her ?

Nagisa Oshima.
Died only 1,5 years ago.
Famous for his "scandalous" film "The Realm Of The Senses".

It's not too old, is it (cause I really hate old shit) ?

1999.

Anybody in it I know (or I should really get to know) ?

If you watch a lot of Japanese films, you might recognize a few actors.
But the most famous actor is Takeshi Kitano (Beat Takeshi).

What's it about really ?

It's a gay samourai murder mystery.
Yes, you can read that again.
Very original for a film theme, I must admit !

The story takes place around 1860, when 2 young men enter a samurai compound where they get trained in swordfighting. One of them is a very young man with very androgyn looks. Slowly but certainly more and more men find themselves attracted to him, and eventually people get killed for falling in love with him. Eventually everyone is suspecting everyone from being gay and/or possibly being his lover. Even the men that seem as straight as possible.


Does it have any funny shit in it that I can imitate in the pub to impress my dumb friends with ?

You can all relax, there are no penises to be seen in the whole film.
Remember Japanese films show very little to no nude scenes usually.
("The Realm Of The Senses" was an absolute exception to that rule)
But nonetheless this film stirred up quite a lot of emotions in conservative Japan, because it portrays gay samurai.

Why should I waste my precious time watching this crap ?

Because you can never see enough gay samurai murder mysteries in your life, you idiot !
I mean, seriously, that's gotta be one of the most unique film themes I've ever come across...

No, seriously, because it has the guts to tackle a practice that was apparantly very common in the samurai culture, and it wraps the subject in a nice murder mystery with a good plot-twist at the end.
And all of the shots are nicely done, though most of them are very static, as if they should match the disciplined nature of the samurai culture.

Plus as soon as the story turns into a murder mystery, you'll find yourself trying to guess not only who the murderer is, but also who might be gay (and/or in love with the main character) but doesn't want to show it because they don't want to get killed or be suspected of being the killer.
You'll find yourself thinking "wait, could it be him perhaps ? naaah no way, or maybe ??"
A funny sensation indeed.

Ow, and because it's a nice haunting soundtrack that has nothing to do with your typical Hollywood "now we'll make your ears decide how you must feel with the next scene" kind of soundtrack.

You should already be on your way to buy the damn thing before Pedro buys all the copies left on amazon.

[Alume]

Watching trainspotting

[Hades]

Watching trainspotting

Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose a three-piece suit on hire purchase in a range of fucking fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pissing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourselves. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else.


I used to play that track from the soundtrack (well, "part 2", to be precise, just a way to cash in on the success of the film) inbetween my sets all the time.
it just show what a mediocre DJ I was (or what an average crowd I was condemned to)...

youtu.be/_-Ouvr7Z870

it's rather funny to think you were barely born when this film was a massive hit.
I always felt trainspotting was a bit overrated.
though I did enjoy reading a few of Irvine Welshes books at the time.

You should try watching "The Acid House", a film in 3 parts, based on the book with the same title by Welsh.
Marginal UK white trash pur sang !!
(and the book is even far far better)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0122515/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

[surface]

I watched the film version of Filth recently with James McEvoy as the lead character. Think the book portrays him as a much more twisted character but then again I was only a kid when I read it. Worth a watch all the same.

[Alume]

Thanks hades, ill have a look:)

[mainst09]

I watched the film version of Filth recently with James McEvoy as the lead character. Think the book portrays him as a much more twisted character but then again I was only a kid when I read it. Worth a watch all the same.

I LOVE FILTH

[Hades]

Thanks hades, ill have a look:)

it's not exactly a great film or anything, but at least you'll have a good laugh.

[Alume]

I can appreciate oké movies as wel.

Especially when the acting is of.

[Hades]

What's it called ?

Nymphomaniac.
I already know I have 98% of all subsekt members attention by now.
(Pedro, control yourself now ! )

Who was responsible for making this crap ? And should I know him/her ?

Lars Von Trier.
Lars knew damn well what he did chosing that title.
Not that there is another title that makes more sense.

I have a love/hate relationship with dear old Lars.
Back when I was at univ, "Breaking the waves" was the next big thing, and every goddamn professor at our faculty thought he was a pure genius.
I always felt that film was a pure joke. Those bells at the end Lars : WHAT WERE YOU THINKING !!!!
And I always found it hilarious that at that point he was considered to be some kind of "religiously inspired" director while he was at the same time having porn made in his pussy power factory. Everyone with a bit of proper film knowledge knew this, but of course those cunt professors at my faculty didn't...

Anyway, in my opinion Lars has just as much hits as he has misses.
And in his case you can interpret that both ways since he broke up with his pregnant wife to move in with the much younger babysitter)
I certainly haven't seen all his films, and have no intention of doing so.

It's not too old, is it (cause I really hate old shit) ?

2013.
Just in time for your first...
agh never mind you young dickhead.

Anybody in it I know (or I should really get to know) ?

Charlotte Gainsbourg, Christian Slater, Uma Thurman, Willem Dafoe,... the film is stuffed with well known actors.
But it doesn't matter at all...
Though Charlotte Gainsbourg is ALWAYS a proper reason for me to watch a film. (just watch the "cement garden" and be converted for life)


What's it about really ?

A nymphomaniac has an "accident" and gets picked up by an older guy who takes her home and fucks her in both ears at the same time while ramming his fist down her poepegaatje !!! woohoo !
Putain !!

No seriously, he takes her in, gives her a cup of tea, and they start talking to each other and discuss things like fishing hooks and cakeforks.
Yes, seriously !

Obviously her stories start to unravel her nymphomanic nature/history.
Yes, there's lots of nudity, but it's still more than reasonable if you ask me.
Things might be different if you watch the uncut version though. I've only been watching the "cut" version of approx 4 hours. I've heard the uncut version is at least 1 to 2 hours longer,
and knowing how Lars is a dirty old man, who's had a side-project with producing porn for many years now, you can imagine what the uncut version must be like.
The practiced eye will even see a few bad cuts.


Does it have any funny shit in it that I can imitate in the pub to impress my dumb friends with ?

The scenes where one father gets "dumped" by the young Charlotte because "he will never leave his family so she can never have him all for herself" while in reality she just needs him out of the appartment at 6:30 cause her next lover is arriving at 7:00, and instead of the next lover the family guy arrives with his suitcases at 6:50, followed by his wife and their 3 kids at 6:52, those are just brilliant. They should be mandatory viewing for anyone who's seriously considering giving up his family life for the occasional shag !
The conversations that follow... Ow man... absolutely brilliant material !!!

Also the scenes in the hospital where the young Charlotte takes care of her dad are painful and just perfect. A whole different kind of mandatory viewing.

Why should I waste my precious time watching this crap ?

First of all wapwap and Steve should absolutely see this film.
wapwap cause he likes Gainsbourg.
Steve cause the film is in my opinion not very far from Anton LaVey's church of satan's beliefs.
After all, the main character is just a nymphomaniac, who is only after lust. Even inbetween visits to her father's death bed she just finds someone to fuck.
She's not after love at all, she's just after personal pleasure, and she's not afraid to admit this.
But in the end you can feel her total emptiness. She tries so hard to find some meaning into all of this and she fails pretty miserably.

Uptill now I have only seen part 1.
It's too late for me to see part 2 now, the mrs has guard duty the whole weekend in the hospital (she would have loved to see this film), so I'm too tired to risk starting to watch another 2 hours of this magnificent stuff.
But chances are big I'll be posting about part 2 pretty soon...

The biggest reason anyone should see this film is because it's not really about sex at all.
It has wonderful conversations.
It starts of a bit goofy... "yeah right, old guy finds beaten up woman who happens to be a nymphomaniac and happens to just tell her whole sex life while sipping on a cup of tea"
(both the location where the guy finds the woman plus the set of the appartment are totally over the top unbelievable in my opinion)
But you really get drawn into the story. At some point Lars even makes a great comparison with Bach's music, and most of the dialogue is just perfect.
When the older guy says he doesn't believe all the chance meetings and stuff in her story, Charlotte says "look, how will you get the most out of this story : by not believing me, or by believing what I tell you ?" And that's exactly the point, you just have to go with the flow in this film...

I've barely even seen Charlotte Gainsbourg uptill now, but I'm suspecting that's gonna change in part 2.

Also, Charlotte has such a wonderfully wonderfully sexy English accent and voice, just that alone makes the whole film worthwhile since her voice-over is pretty much everywhere...

[Lost to the Void]

Part 2 is is excellent, the ending is perfect.

I don`t really see too many parallels with The Satanic Bible though, Nympho is it`s own philosophy, by the end of the film it probably has more in common with Crowleys "True Will" and "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law". There is a lot of Occult in Triers stuff.

I saw the uncut versions of 1&2. It was just too fucking long, but still good.
I think Antichrist was a much more powerful film, and beautiful too.

[Hades]

just watched part II
really didn't like the first half.
First of all cause I think the frame story was getting more and more on my nerves,
I felt Gainsbourg's acting in the frame story was usually quite terrible in comparison to the actress who played her younger self and to her own acting in the flashbacks.
And also cause SM doesn't interest me at all, plus I always cringe as soon as I see parents not taking care of their kids.
I simply can't help it. I know it's all fiction, but I can't stand it when I see people like that.

Anyway, 2nd half was far better, as soon as she started her little "business"...
uncovering the pedophile and stuff.
Even with my whole aversion of pedophiles, I felt she was still right in saying how terrible it must be for people like that to actually live with a sexual desire like that and know it can't be done.
I always have to think about that one single pedophile in Louis Theroux's episode about that institution in California for sexual predators, the only one out of hundreds or maybe thousands who just had his balls cut off cause he knew there was simply no way to control himself otherwise.

Funny part was the almost last scenes.
The actor playing the old Jerome is Michael Pas.
I took in one of my best friends for a few weeks after he got out of a rather troublesome relationship (she was fucking around everywhere).
He had nowhere to go really, and only debts. So he's staying at my place for a while (and giving me stress of course).
Meanwhile he's going back to his ex that he left for that woman, though I think that's the last thing he should be doing, but hey, he's not listening.
One of his ex-girlfriends once cheated on him with that actor, many years ago.
Fucking hilariously ironic to see that actor back just now, in this situation.
I had to look it up on imdb to be 100% sure, but yeah, sure enough, it's him.

He used to play the main role in a famous childs series almost 20 years ago, and my oldest loves watching those DVD's,
and it always blows her mind when I tell her my friends ex once had a brief thing with the guy she can see on the screen.
Obviously she's too young to get the irony of it all, thank god.

[Hades]

I don`t really see too many parallels with The Satanic Bible though, Nympho is it`s own philosophy, by the end of the film it probably has more in common with Crowleys "True Will" and "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law". There is a lot of Occult in Triers stuff.

I saw the uncut versions of 1&2. It was just too fucking long, but still good.

well, I don't know shit about Anton LaVey except for the youtube fragment you once posted here a few weeks back, but that seemed like he was saying "just indulge into yourself as much as you want, there's nothing wrong with that just as long as you don't hurt others"
For almost everything Gainsbourg does in the film I feel this is appropriate, except of course the parts where she really gets others hurt as a direct result of her actions.

I can well imagine the uncut version being simply too long. I believe it's an art to tell the story of a good film in just 2 hours, or even less.
Most films above 2 hours are simply too long. Just like most books above 500 pages are just too long.
Less is more (says the idiot who keeps on writing far too long posts) !

I think Antichrist was a much more powerful film, and beautiful too.

That one is still on my list.
Don't plan to see Melancholia though.
I still think his best work was by far Dogville and Manderlay.
I saw too many fake "decors" in this film, not sure what the word for that is in English : you know : the furniture, the lights, the attributes,...
It's like he hasted his way through it.
After so many years of making a film he should be well able to hide the fact that it's fake.
Our maybe it's just my eyes that are too experienced and notice too many details.

[Lost to the Void]

Try antichrist, the cinematography alone is worth the ride.

I just saw The Rover. That was a hell of a film. Guy Pearce is intense, every moment the camera is on him he looks like he is about to explode with the power of a psychopath.
He really gets that look down right.

My best mate was a psychopath. I kid you not. When I was doing the raves, my partner who I ran the sound system with, was a true psychopath. There was a lot wrong with him due to his past, but he was truly fearless, and back then doing raves in london you needed someone like that on your team, because with all the gangs out there, it was a dangerous. He had this look he would get in his eyes, when you knew he was going to explode. Like his eyes were on fire, vibrating almost. You could almost feel the heat coming off of them.
Once he went, it was frightening. He wasn't a big man, he was wiry, but once he went, you would have to kill him to stop him, even if you knocked him down, he would just get up. I used to have to pull him off of people when they had had enough, I'm a big guy, so I could wrap myself around him, but it was like trying to hold fire.
Underneath all the damage though there was this really sweet innocent kid. But only I saw that in him, my missus used to bring it out in him too.
I thought I could change him over time, show him love and trust, but actually he ended up changing me more.. In the end I just couldn't have him in my life, as the danger he had in him started to effect my life in a very serious way, not only was I taking on some of his traits, but my life was becoming dangerous and chaotic and with no real benefit.
I eventually realised he genuinely didn't care if he lived or died! and a person like that, without fear, is a dangerous person to be around.
My missus said I developed "the look" as well, and it scared her. She never saw the trouble I was getting in to, as she only ever saw the fun, everyone dancing side of the parties, but sometimes I would disappear with the team, and we'd all be armed and edgy, so she knew something was happening, and when I came back sometimes I hadn't yet switched off, and the adrenalin was still moving me, and I didn't want to talk, and occasionally it scared her.
That's one of the reasons I stopped doing parties. I still love him, but i can't have him in my life. Even though he was truly unhinged, and frighteningly dangerous, if he was on your side, he was on your side, and back then I could confidently walk in to the most dangerous situation with the most heinous criminal scum of London, and I know he would not only have my back, he would get between me and the knife or gun or whatever I was facing.
Loyalty like that is as rare as a black diamond.

But that look, once you know it, you see it in other people. I've met a few psychopaths, most of them were hardened criminals. Guy Pearce really replicates that.
It gave me chills and brought back memories of my old mate.

So for that acting tour de force it is worth seeing the rover alone. It's actually a good film all over though.

[mainst09]

Try antichrist, the cinematography alone is worth the ride.

I just saw The Rover. That was a hell of a film. Guy Pearce is intense, every moment the camera is on him he looks like he is about to explode with the power of a psychopath.
He really gets that look down right.

My best mate was a psychopath. I kid you not. When I was doing the raves, my partner who I ran the sound system with, was a true psychopath. There was a lot wrong with him due to his past, but he was truly fearless, and back then doing raves in london you needed someone like that on your team, because with all the gangs out there, it was a dangerous. He had this look he would get in his eyes, when you knew he was going to explode. Like his eyes were on fire, vibrating almost. You could almost feel the heat coming off of them.
Once he went, it was frightening. He wasn't a big man, he was wiry, but once he went, you would have to kill him to stop him, even if you knocked him down, he would just get up. I used to have to pull him off of people when they had had enough, I'm a big guy, so I could wrap myself around him, but it was like trying to hold fire.
Underneath all the damage though there was this really sweet innocent kid. But only I saw that in him, my missus used to bring it out in him too.
I thought I could change him over time, show him love and trust, but actually he ended up changing me more.. In the end I just couldn't have him in my life, as the danger he had in him started to effect my life in a very serious way, not only was I taking on some of his traits, but my life was becoming dangerous and chaotic and with no real benefit.
I eventually realised he genuinely didn't care if he lived or died! and a person like that, without fear, is a dangerous person to be around.
My missus said I developed "the look" as well, and it scared her. She never saw the trouble I was getting in to, as she only ever saw the fun, everyone dancing side of the parties, but sometimes I would disappear with the team, and we'd all be armed and edgy, so she knew something was happening, and when I came back sometimes I hadn't yet switched off, and the adrenalin was still moving me, and I didn't want to talk, and occasionally it scared her.
That's one of the reasons I stopped doing parties. I still love him, but i can't have him in my life. Even though he was truly unhinged, and frighteningly dangerous, if he was on your side, he was on your side, and back then I could confidently walk in to the most dangerous situation with the most heinous criminal scum of London, and I know he would not only have my back, he would get between me and the knife or gun or whatever I was facing.
Loyalty like that is as rare as a black diamond.

But that look, once you know it, you see it in other people. I've met a few psychopaths, most of them were hardened criminals. Guy Pearce really replicates that.
It gave me chills and brought back memories of my old mate.

So for that acting tour de force it is worth seeing the rover alone. It's actually a good film all over though.

Saw The Rover yesterday night. What a brilliant movie, Guy Pearce and Robert Pattinson doing such great actings in this movie!!

[Hades]

but were you able to control yourself ?

[Hades]

What's it called ?

Ain't Them Bodies Saints

Who was responsible for making this crap ? And should I know him/her ?

David Lowery.
He's only made 2 other films except for tv work and short films.
I haven't seen anything else from him nor read/heard anything about him.


It's not too old, is it (cause I really hate old shit) ?

2013

Anybody in it I know (or I should really get to know) ?

Keith Carradine. The guy who played the old FBI agent in the 2nd Dexter season.
(I don't like him, he has too much of a "brushed off" feeling, can't quite say what it is, just that I don't like the actor).
He's got a face you want to sort shit out on.
But really, the film gets carried by Casey Affleck and Rooney Mara.

What's it about really ?

The story takes place in Texas in the 70's.
Casey Affleck and Rooney Mara are on the run from the cops and she shoots a cop. He suggests to take the blame for it and go to prison since she's pregnant. That's the start of the film. Later on, he escapes from prison and wants to see his now 4 year old daughter and leave with her and Mara to lead a peaceful life somewhere where they can forget all about the past. Obviously, the past catches up to them.

Does it have any funny shit in it that I can imitate in the pub to impress my dumb friends with ?

Nope. It's quite a sad film actually.

Why should I waste my precious time watching this crap ?

The whole film is kind of a tribute to the old westerns that you know won't end well.
That and the kind of outlaw lover-films Terrence Malick and Robert Altman made ("Badlands" or even "Days Of Heaven" for example).
At times the film also reminded me of "3:10 To Yuma", which is a brilliant film.
Both films are about wanting to take care of your family more than anything else, feeling guilty about something you have or haven't done in the past. About wanting to leave the past behind above all.
"3:10 to Yuma" is still miles above this film, but they are rather different genres.

Anyway, main reason to watch this is Casey Affleck.
I HATE Ben Affleck. I have watched films where he acted in, and I have watched films he's directed.
Obviously he's a far better director than actor. But somehow I just can't stand the guy.
I wanna punch him in the face every time I see him.

Casey Affleck, on the other hand, is one of the most underrated actors of his generation if you ask me.
I first noticed him in Gus Van Sant's brilliant "Gerry", and was completely blown away by his performance in "The assassination of Jesse James by the coward Robert Ford" where he played everyone else (including Brad Pitt) off the screen in my opinion.
Casey Affleck can play the creepy slimey sicko cowards and the good guys just as well.
You can watch 2 films in a row where he plays totally different characters and you'll have no problem believing his acting whatsoever.

Ow, and another good thing : they tell the story in barely 90 minutes.
They don't go into needless character explanation, extra side-stories, blablabla.
They ask that you are active enough to tie the ends up yourself whenever you have a certain question about this or that character.
I always appreciate directors who can tell their story in just enough shots and don't treat their audience like they're fools.
My list of films to watch is still so endlessly long I don't have the time to watch hundreds of 2,5 hour films...
Less is more, and as a director you have to be able to cut in my opinion.
The pace of this film is slow, and yet he still manages to tell his story in barely 1,5 hours.
I salute anyone who can do that !

[wapwap!]

saw the 2 parts of nymphonamiac at the cinema, found it very good and with an unexpected humor!!
waiting for the 5 hours release now

and yes antichrist is a great one too (very different)