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 Post subject: analogue synth on a usb
PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:16 pm 
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no knobs, but it is a dongle. looks like it is controlled by a plugin, so it all seems a bit weird: the sound is produced by chips for "analogue realness", but you have none of the tactile joy of using a synth, you're still mousebound (or use a controller i guess). is it better than sylenth? i dunno.

http://truenosynth.com/
£140 if you want to buy me one for Christmas.

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 Post subject: Re: analogue synth on a usb
PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:51 pm 
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It's a great idea. In terms of integrating analog in to a DAW.
Proof will be in the sound. I'll take a listen.
Potentially this could start a new paradigm.

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Surprising choice going with USB2.

USB 1 is much warmer sounding.

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Fuck.

I'm literally designing the same thing.

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Hipster gadget... :D

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asm wrote:
Fuck.

I'm literally designing the same thing.


Do one with 4 Oscs.

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 Post subject: Re: analogue synth on a usb
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Críoch wrote:
Do one with 4 Oscs.


I like your thinking...

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Críoch wrote:
asm wrote:
Fuck.

I'm literally designing the same thing.


Do one with 4 Oscs.


And knobs.... :)

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 Post subject: Re: analogue synth on a usb
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What about the interface? I don't see the point of this gadget. It's a vst with a hardware output... .

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WOLF! wrote:
It's a vst with a hardware output... .


More like hardware with VST control. If you wanna have "hardware sound" with software workflow you're limited to CPU heavy synths like Diva. So I'd say it has its point...


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 Post subject: Re: analogue synth on a usb
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Exactly analog sound but with digital integration. Think elektron over bridge but not shite. Probably.

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Overbridge works as advertised on my system since first installed in 2016...

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 Post subject: Re: analogue synth on a usb
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My thoughts behind doing something similar (but I've only breadboarded it thus so far and was targeting a slightly different form factor) was that a huge cost of an analogue synth is in the controls, case and IO. No one likes tiny knobs and cases, or menu diving. Plus indie developers have no economy of scale to cut costs and make it at a decent price. Offloading the interface to whatever control surface people already have is a much easier and quite a rational direction to take.

There are niggles though - noise floor on usb is often pretty high for a start.

On the whole, I'm pretty jealous as it looks a nice implementation at a nice price.

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How is this different from software? Repro-1 or OP-X already get so close to analog it's hard to tell the difference with the vintage gear they emulate.

That said, $140 isn't a bad price. Diva is $179. I'm just skeptical as to whether this is anything but a gimmick.


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It all depends on the qualities of the oscillators.
I don't like the oscillators on DIVA they don't have much character.
I'm assuming that this also won't take your processor.
Who knows. It's interesting new tech. It would be great if this developed and you could get small plugout boxes containing the circuitry of new fangled analog synths.

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asm wrote:
No one likes tiny knobs and cases, or menu diving.
Unless you have a fetish for it :D.

And what about audio latency, midi jitter and combining with a audio interface (not possible to use 2 interfaces at the same time in Windows). Very curious how it works.
It's still possible to use a synth with trusted midi (80's technology) but I've had some problems with usb drivers (coming from bad support of some brands) so I quite skeptical about usb.

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 Post subject: Re: analogue synth on a usb
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Yeah the problem with this thing is that once driver/software support is dropped the whole thing is worthless. The USB standard is changing a lot right now also...
Havent thought about the problem with 2 audio interfaces on Windows. Thats a good point as well


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 Post subject: Re: analogue synth on a usb
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asm wrote:
My thoughts behind doing something similar (but I've only breadboarded it thus so far and was targeting a slightly different form factor) was that a huge cost of an analogue synth is in the controls, case and IO. No one likes tiny knobs and cases, or menu diving. Plus indie developers have no economy of scale to cut costs and make it at a decent price. Offloading the interface to whatever control surface people already have is a much easier and quite a rational direction to take.

There are niggles though - noise floor on usb is often pretty high for a start.

On the whole, I'm pretty jealous as it looks a nice implementation at a nice price.


although i was a bit dismissive of the idea (like everything i guess :cry: ), i've been reading about it and i'm trying to figure out how it works.
Could you give me a couple of ideas of how it works, more how you breadboarded your version? was it a raspberry pi breadboard? how did you have the chips that were being the VCO/oscillators? did it require programming/coding?

i like the idea of pi based samplers, or diy samplers for that matter, but i haven't found many sources of info around it. what i have found i have read, but it hasn't given me enough to go on as i've no background in this electrical field. it would be great if you could suggest some things to read about what might be diy instruments like this.


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Lost to the Void wrote:
It all depends on the qualities of the oscillators.
I don't like the oscillators on DIVA they don't have much character.
I'm assuming that this also won't take your processor.
Who knows. It's interesting new tech. It would be great if this developed and you could get small plugout boxes containing the circuitry of new fangled analog synths.


Diva sounds a bit clean and sterile compared to what it emulates but there are multiple ways of dirtying it up. OP-X, for my money, is the best software emulation of vintage hardware. It gets stunningly close to an actual OB-X and Matrix 1000.

I see your point about processing, though. Have you tried the Roland Cloud stuff? The Jupiter-8 software emulation is so taxing on your CPU that I can't load more than 1 instance in Logic, and have things function well, whereas I can load 6 or more instances of Diva on divine setting. So that's an argument for dedicated hardware right there.


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 Post subject: Re: analogue synth on a usb
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DIVA is fine, you can do a lot with it, it's phat but it's not got bags of character on the oscillators alone.
I mean I find this tech quite interesting, but honestly I'm not that much in to synths in general unless they have a very unique character or have unusual features, so really not interested in Roland's reruns of its old stuff
I'm really more of a samples\field recordings\electroacoustic sounds guy. But ease of use is always a good thing for me, I hate wasting music making time on processes. Fiddling, syncing etc.

I'll give op-x a try though.

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