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I'm currently watching the Gomorra series, and I gotta say it's pretty good.
Not excellent (and the film was still better), but it's really well made,
has a few excellent actors,
and most of all, it's beautifully shot (all those decaying buildings never looked better) and comes with a fantastic soundtrack done by Mokadelic.
I had never heard of them before, but they're some Italian post rock band.
I would never have thought that maffia and post rock work well together, but it's a match made in heaven...


Oh shit that movie was nice didn't ring any bells until you said mafia :D
Gotta check out the episodes then, cheers Hades :)

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synths come in and out of your life like... ?

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Like hookers and blow ? :?

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then I'm seriously behind on hookers man ! :lol:

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dcom wrote:
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I'm currently watching the Gomorra series, and I gotta say it's pretty good.

I really enjoyed the first two seasons, I think the third season starts on the 17th of November, so I'm looking forward to that.

A comparable series called Suburra is also on Netflix, situated in Rome, less violent, more drama, rather superficial characters. Just got to the end of the first season and it was not a complete failure, but there's plenty of better things to binge - like Umbre, a Romanian crime series (on HBO) at times up to par with Gomorrah, second season starting soon.


Watch the film of Suburra that preceded the series. It's really beautiful. The series was kinda dissapointing in comparison.

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Lost to the Void wrote:
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I'm currently watching the Gomorra series, and I gotta say it's pretty good.

I really enjoyed the first two seasons, I think the third season starts on the 17th of November, so I'm looking forward to that.

A comparable series called Suburra is also on Netflix, situated in Rome, less violent, more drama, rather superficial characters. Just got to the end of the first season and it was not a complete failure, but there's plenty of better things to binge - like Umbre, a Romanian crime series (on HBO) at times up to par with Gomorrah, second season starting soon.


Watch the film of Suburra that preceded the series. It's really beautiful. The series was kinda dissapointing in comparison.


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The cars' license plates are not compatible with the date of the facts narrated (2011). They have 2015 numbers.

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recently watched the first series of True Detective, would recommend. dark and gritty, pretty addictive, nails that ominous vibe. also has some great music.


It's amazing. Do not watch the second season, as it is garbage.


absolutely. I don't even get how some people had anything positive to say about it at all...
but the 1st season... fucking hell, that's some dark, disturbing shit.


That's the kind of stuff im into (Gritty, dark, bizarre, etc.) never seen before a series with such depth in their characters, the dialogues and the scenery are just amazing.
Can you recommend some similar series or films??

Im actually watching the killing from netflix it has a similar depressive atmosphere but there is no comparison to True Detective.
I am also watching twin peaks (weird as fuck).


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Check out The Exorcist episodes, season 1 is alright but season 2 is pretty dark disturbing shit :shock:

Not sure if they on Netflix though....

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TomasHD wrote:

That's the kind of stuff im into (Gritty, dark, bizarre, etc.) never seen before a series with such depth in their characters, the dialogues and the scenery are just amazing.
Can you recommend some similar series or films??

Im actually watching the killing from netflix it has a similar depressive atmosphere but there is no comparison to True Detective.
I am also watching twin peaks (weird as fuck).


it always puts a smile on my face when someone still has to watch Twin Peaks for the 1st time.
Though admittedly, I didn't even see it when in high school but only a few years later
(shame on me, but it was on very late here, and we didn't have tablets or laptops to watch on in our room).

Anyway, as you no doubt heard, almost anything by David Lynch.
If you want dark, I can always recommend "Mulholland Drive" and "Lost Highway".
It might take 2 or 3x watching it before you get the scenario, but it's totally worth it.
And both have wonderful soundtracks by Badalamenti.
I'm such a big fan of Badalamenti that at one point I actually bought al his favorite synths.
The Twin Peaks pad sound is literally a preset on the Korg 01r

Also, make sure you watch "Fire Walk With Me", which was made after the series, and is even far darker than the series. Don't watch it if you're still watching the series, or you'll just see massive spoilers.
Btw : did you know that "bob" character was put in there by accident ?
It's one of the sound guys that got into view in a mirror on some shot, and Lynch liked it so much he created a whole character out of it.

If you're looking for films which are similar dark trips...
I'm a massive film fan, so I can give you a few tips.
(I created a film topic a few years ago, you can still find it here somewhere)
I used to watch about 20 films/month for more than a decade.
let me go and have a look at my DVD collection...

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Un Prophète : Small time thief ends up in jail and needs to work himself up really fast in order to survive.
Maybe not as dark as the others I'll mention, but totally worth it. Great film.

La Haine : by now a classic in cinema circles. A few young guys who live in the suburbs of Paris end up in situations that get more and more out of control. Watch the film while knowing that the riots shown in the suburbs of Paris also literally happened a few years later. The film totally predicted the future.

Irréversible : A woman gets brutally raped and her husband goes out to find her killer. It takes him into the grittiest most fucked up places you could think of. You'll always remember the scene where there's this guy hanging somewhere, begging "fiste-moi, fiste-moi!!" :? The story is told in reverse, and that's probably also the only reason it's bearable to watch. Fantastic film !!

Old Boy : I wasn't a 100% fan of this film, but it's a good watch nonetheless. Some guy was locked up for almost 20 years (not in prison though), and escapes and wants to take revenge. Asian bloody grittiness.

The Machinist : probably the darkest film next to Irréversible. Watch Christian Bale play the part of his life. No way he can ever top this. He plays a factory worker who suffers from heavy insomnia. He literally looks like he walked straight out of Auschwitz or something. He must have lost 40 kilo's or so to play this part. He starts tripping because of the lack of sleep, and as the story unfolds, you slowly find out why he has insomnia.
Trippy as fuck ! Extremely dark film.

Only God Forgives : well, almost anything from this director is good, you could also watch Drive.

Enter The Void : from the same director as Irréversible. A young drug dealer in Tokyo gets shot to death by the police. You see his spirit float through the city for the rest of the film (and that's like 2,5 hours long!!).
I have never seen a trippier film than that. It's like you're on mushrooms when you're sober. I have absolutely NO idea how the hell he did most of the shots he did in that film because they are mind boggling... I have no idea why not more people rave about this film because it's superb.

This is only from looking at my DVD collection. There's many more that I still gotta buy, but that are hard to find,
and I only buy maybe 1 out of every 30 or 40 films that I saw.

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My all time favourite gritty films that you have to watch when it's dark and raining outside:

8MM:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0134273/

The Bone Collector:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0145681/

Also I've watched this one with out any expectations but damn it was a good movie

A Walk Among the Tombstones :
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0365907/


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Enter The Void : ... I have no idea why not more people rave about this film because it's superb.


Because it is utterly utterly utterly dull.
It looks great though, the colour pallette and the cinematography is great, but fuck me what a boring tedious over self indulgent film. And I like slow brooding boring self indulgent films, but this, if ever a film needed it, needs a serious fucking edit. I literally would rather just take LSD and go on my own trip, and sign myself up for the 8 hours or so of blah that comes with it, than watch this sleep inducing tedium again.
Sure it has great ideas, the whole film is one big tribute to the Tibetan Book of the Dead and the idea of the Bardo, but fuuuuuuck me it`s so fucking dull.

Gaspar Noe has stopped making good films.
Love was even more self indulgent uttershite, but with even less interest than Enter the Snoozybore.

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Lost to the Void wrote:
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Enter The Void : ... I have no idea why not more people rave about this film because it's superb.


Because it is utterly utterly utterly dull.
It looks great though, the colour pallette and the cinematography is great, but fuck me what a boring tedious over self indulgent film. And I like slow brooding boring self indulgent films, but this, if ever a film needed it, needs a serious fucking edit. I literally would rather just take LSD and go on my own trip, and sign myself up for the 8 hours or so of blah that comes with it, than watch this sleep inducing tedium again.
Sure it has great ideas, the whole film is one big tribute to the Tibetan Book of the Dead and the idea of the Bardo, but fuuuuuuck me it`s so fucking dull.


You're right on about that. But there's good use of an old Cristian Vogel track, though.


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Lost to the Void wrote:
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Enter The Void : ... I have no idea why not more people rave about this film because it's superb.


Because it is utterly utterly utterly dull.
It looks great though, the colour pallette and the cinematography is great, but fuck me what a boring tedious over self indulgent film. And I like slow brooding boring self indulgent films, but this, if ever a film needed it, needs a serious fucking edit. I literally would rather just take LSD and go on my own trip, and sign myself up for the 8 hours or so of blah that comes with it, than watch this sleep inducing tedium again.
Sure it has great ideas, the whole film is one big tribute to the Tibetan Book of the Dead and the idea of the Bardo, but fuuuuuuck me it`s so fucking dull.

Gaspar Noe has stopped making good films.
Love was even more self indulgent uttershite, but with even less interest than Enter the Snoozybore.


I find it utterly utterly utterly beautiful.
Perhaps it just depends how high your level is of enduring films for certain aspects, and those aspects only.
I agree you shouldn't watch Enter The Void for it's scenario.
But fuck me, I can watch that film tons of time just for the camera shots and the atmosphere in general.
Did you ever see really really slow films like "Goodbye Dragon Inn", or hell, almost every film Eric Rohmer made??
The most common joke people say about Rohmer's films is that it's about as interesting as watching paint dry on a wall... Yet I enjoyed almost all his films.
I've seen so many films, and yet I can still remember shots from Goodbye Dragon Inn maybe 10 years after I saw it.
You really don't watch Enter The Void for anything else but the trippy atmosphere and the superb camera shots.

I guess it's just like that some times.
For example, I honestly didn't like "The Neon Demon", though I loved every other film Nicolas Winding Refn made.
Des goûts et des couleurs...

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You're right on about that. But there's good use of an old Cristian Vogel track, though.


It actually has 3 Cristian Vogel tracks in there

"Latortuelovesyou_II",
"Canción Sintetica",
and "Asteroid Keys"

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Great recommendations, thx a lot Hades!!

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Hades wrote:
Lost to the Void wrote:
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Enter The Void : ... I have no idea why not more people rave about this film because it's superb.


Because it is utterly utterly utterly dull.
It looks great though, the colour pallette and the cinematography is great, but fuck me what a boring tedious over self indulgent film. And I like slow brooding boring self indulgent films, but this, if ever a film needed it, needs a serious fucking edit. I literally would rather just take LSD and go on my own trip, and sign myself up for the 8 hours or so of blah that comes with it, than watch this sleep inducing tedium again.
Sure it has great ideas, the whole film is one big tribute to the Tibetan Book of the Dead and the idea of the Bardo, but fuuuuuuck me it`s so fucking dull.

Gaspar Noe has stopped making good films.
Love was even more self indulgent uttershite, but with even less interest than Enter the Snoozybore.


I find it utterly utterly utterly beautiful.
Perhaps it just depends how high your level is of enduring films for certain aspects, and those aspects only.
I agree you shouldn't watch Enter The Void for it's scenario.
But fuck me, I can watch that film tons of time just for the camera shots and the atmosphere in general.
Did you ever see really really slow films like "Goodbye Dragon Inn", or hell, almost every film Eric Rohmer made??
The most common joke people say about Rohmer's films is that it's about as interesting as watching paint dry on a wall... Yet I enjoyed almost all his films.
I've seen so many films, and yet I can still remember shots from Goodbye Dragon Inn maybe 10 years after I saw it.
You really don't watch Enter The Void for anything else but the trippy atmosphere and the superb camera shots.

I guess it's just like that some times.
For example, I honestly didn't like "The Neon Demon", though I loved every other film Nicolas Winding Refn made.
Des goûts et des couleurs...


It's not that I don't really like Enter the Void, I sorta do like it. Even Noe himself rather excellently said it is about the utter vacuity of human experience.
It's meant to be utterly tedious.
But although it's great that it's meant to be dull as shit, I really have no reason to see it again.
I watched it in the cinema. And once is kinda enough to say "ok I get it".
Then I tried again on dvd, but really struggled with the utter inanity of it.
So it's a kind of great but utterly shite film.
Like some kind of beautiful shining perfect turd.

I mean, I can sit through Stalker or Solyaris again, but there are more complex ideas along with the wonderful imagery.

Enter the Void is...vacuous.


Yeah Neon Demon... Seen that twice, love the sentiment but still not one of Refn's best.
My fave is Valhalla Rising. Which is also a rather long, slow, self indulgent film, but it has a mythic quality. Overall I like him a lot, one of my fave current directors.
I'm still a sucker for Hal Hartley films though, I can watch them a million times.

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Lost to the Void wrote:
Yeah Neon Demon... Seen that twice, love the sentiment but still not one of Refn's best.
My fave is Valhalla Rising. Which is also a rather long, slow, self indulgent film, but it has a mythic quality. Overall I like him a lot, one of my fave current directors.
I'm still a sucker for Hal Hartley films though, I can watch them a million times.


just had a look at imdb, and I don't think I've seen anything from him,
though the name does ring a bell somehow, and it bugs my mind that I can't say where I know the guy from
(looking through his films now)
Seems to be married to the beauty from Tokyo Decadence. mmmm...
Some guys have all the luck. :)
Any recommendations by him, or films I should start with first ?

My personal favorites are Hirokazu Kore-eda and John Sayles.
I've seen any film made by them that I could get my hands on over here,
and I would pay a lot just to see their others.
I remember 1 John Sayles film being utterly stupid, but for the love of god,
browsing through his films now and can't seem to find it,
so I'm doubting my own memory now (which I really hate).

Anyway, Kore-eda... I have not seen one single film of him that wasn't absolutely wonderful.
Just heart-breaking, and made so simple. Pure poetry.
I heard "Air Doll" isn't that great, but that's one of the few I never saw.
But just for "After Life" I will forgive him any mediocre film he ever makes.

Todd Solondz is another favorite, but I still have to find any film he did after "Life During Wartime".

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Any recommendations by him, or films I should start with first ?


Drive.
Bronson.
After that, Only God Forgives, Valhalla Rising, the Pusher trilogy, Bleeder.

Also, pay attention to the soudtracks of Drive and Bronson.

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Any recommendations by him, or films I should start with first ?


Drive.
Bronson.
After that, Only God Forgives, Valhalla Rising, the Pusher trilogy, Bleeder.

Also, pay attention to the soudtracks of Drive and Bronson.


thx but I was talking about Hal Hartley.
I've seen most of Nicolas Winding Refn's films,
which I mentioned above. ;)

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