Dub Techno
Dub Techno
I salvaged some soundcloud minutes so I thought I would post a free DL of an ep of some tracks that have been floating around my HDD . Hope you all enjoy!
https://soundcloud.com/tvsky/sets/an-autumn-tempest
https://soundcloud.com/tvsky/sets/an-autumn-tempest
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Re: Dub Techno
Well, this is dub techno, everything is there, you`ve got this sound nailed.
I would say the kick is just a little too "poppy" and could do with a touch more low end weight so it sits inside the bass rather than on top of it. And overall the weight in the lows could be more full for the ultimate dub effect, but the mix is clean enough that this could be fixed in mastering.
Musically, as much as I like dub techno, this doesn`t really do anything for me to separate it from the many other anon tracks that do this thing. Minor chords, lots of delay, washy pads, clicks and crackles and not really going anywhere. It`s a little generic.
I would say the kick is just a little too "poppy" and could do with a touch more low end weight so it sits inside the bass rather than on top of it. And overall the weight in the lows could be more full for the ultimate dub effect, but the mix is clean enough that this could be fixed in mastering.
Musically, as much as I like dub techno, this doesn`t really do anything for me to separate it from the many other anon tracks that do this thing. Minor chords, lots of delay, washy pads, clicks and crackles and not really going anywhere. It`s a little generic.
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thanks for checking them out VL and the feedback.
I cut a fair bit of my lows out most of my tracks , both the kick and bass channels and then dump everything under 40-50hz on the master . sometimes its a bit much , but ive not a got a good room for bass so its a bit hit and miss
I cut a fair bit of my lows out most of my tracks , both the kick and bass channels and then dump everything under 40-50hz on the master . sometimes its a bit much , but ive not a got a good room for bass so its a bit hit and miss
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Whoa. Its dub man, dont cut so high. You can slope down to 20 easy.
My monitors in the mastering room are full range down to 16, so that big gap younleave is very noticable and will be in the club.
My monitors in the mastering room are full range down to 16, so that big gap younleave is very noticable and will be in the club.
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but on the crappo systems , headphones , shitty speakers , the car , it gets muddy.....
whats the secret ?
whats the secret ?
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I don`t think there is a secret. You just have to be careful that things are well separated and dynamically controlled down low.
It helps to have monitoring that gives you a clear picture down the bottom of course.
It helps to have monitoring that gives you a clear picture down the bottom of course.
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I think the key is too keep things a bit tighter then you would maybe prefer, just to be safe. But I mean really, this kind of dubtechno is headphone / stereo music, so if it sounds good on (multiple, if possible) consumer headphones and a hi-fi, it sounds good. You have a bit more freedom than with club tracks, I think because it doesn't need to work while being played at 105db.
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That`s quite an unusual statement to make. Dub techno (dub being the prime word) is soundsystem music, as is it`s root, Dub music.
It is pinned on big, solid, deep low end, one that takes advantage of the full audio spectrum.
Going tighter than you would prefer? What does that mean?
A full mix is a full mix, and one that is mixed (and mastered) properly should translate well to ALL listening environments, that is in fact how a good mix is assessed.
Not that this is a bad mix by any means, but I can`t see any problems that would arise from opening up the low end in this example, there is plenty of room down there. It is only a matter of good mix technique.
It is pinned on big, solid, deep low end, one that takes advantage of the full audio spectrum.
Going tighter than you would prefer? What does that mean?
A full mix is a full mix, and one that is mixed (and mastered) properly should translate well to ALL listening environments, that is in fact how a good mix is assessed.
Not that this is a bad mix by any means, but I can`t see any problems that would arise from opening up the low end in this example, there is plenty of room down there. It is only a matter of good mix technique.
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Oh, I wasn't talking about a low cut in terms of frequency but more in the sense of envelopes. On small monitors a long decay/release bass may sound nice but on a big system it may provide problems so I mean keeping the envelopes a bit shorter than you'd maybe like.
And sadly, this kind of music isn't really being played on big systems, at least not that I know of. Even during the warmup you don't really hear this kinda stuff, at least in my experience. In London there at least seem to be Astral Industries guys but here in Berlin there's not even a specialist niche party for that kind of sound.
And sadly, this kind of music isn't really being played on big systems, at least not that I know of. Even during the warmup you don't really hear this kinda stuff, at least in my experience. In London there at least seem to be Astral Industries guys but here in Berlin there's not even a specialist niche party for that kind of sound.
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You do get dub techno DJ`s and Live Acts at some events in London.
All depends on the event, but some of these 3 rooms of fucking techno and no variation from that - parties, have some good dub techno going on.
People like Deepchord etc
All depends on the event, but some of these 3 rooms of fucking techno and no variation from that - parties, have some good dub techno going on.
People like Deepchord etc
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I've seen Deepchord at Tresor a few times. His liveset is pretty banging and club-tuned though, quite different from his released records.
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Probably better off going to some bass music parties, some of them will have dub techno and house in the 2nd room along with other dubby sub genres.
I honestly don`t think it has much legs as a sub genre, it`s kinda like ambient in a way, it all sounds the same, but it all sounds listenable.
There was some progression with people like Dadub on stroboscopic fartefucts, and I guess voices from the lake etc.
But yeah, I guess you don`t hear it so much in clubs because it`s kinda... Not in vogue at all.
Bass music has basically stolen it`s thunder (and taken it away from the 4x4 kick thing), if you go look at new releases in the bass music arena you`ll find a ton of stuff doing the dub techno thing in a more forward thinking way.
I honestly don`t think it has much legs as a sub genre, it`s kinda like ambient in a way, it all sounds the same, but it all sounds listenable.
There was some progression with people like Dadub on stroboscopic fartefucts, and I guess voices from the lake etc.
But yeah, I guess you don`t hear it so much in clubs because it`s kinda... Not in vogue at all.
Bass music has basically stolen it`s thunder (and taken it away from the 4x4 kick thing), if you go look at new releases in the bass music arena you`ll find a ton of stuff doing the dub techno thing in a more forward thinking way.
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What do you mean by "bass music"? There used to be some dubstep parties here around the time there was the whole dubstep/techno crossover going on and some producers like F and Headhunter making dubtechno influenced dubstep. But that whole thing has really died down and dubstep isn't fashionable anymore, so most of the guys from that era make 4/4 now. Even the Hessle Audio guys that still making non 4/4 stuff, if they come and play here they will mostly play 4/4. There's of course a new crop of bass producers around labels like Keysound and Timedance but I wouldn't consider them very dubtechno-influenced and around here they will get grouped with that whole trendy experimental-club thing.
I guess Drum&Bass has been moving a bit in that direction though, with labels like Samurai and Hidden Hawaii. I thought this one was pretty neat.
youtu.be/_Kj2dI7nBKQ
I guess Drum&Bass has been moving a bit in that direction though, with labels like Samurai and Hidden Hawaii. I thought this one was pretty neat.
youtu.be/_Kj2dI7nBKQ
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Well it covers a wide area, it`s the post-dubstep stuff basically. It crosses in to house, garage, grime, dubstep, techno, but it has a sort of garage root to it, within that there is a ton of dub influenced stuff.dubdub wrote:What do you mean by "bass music"?
there was a lovely hing on Apollo recently Sieren - Static Polymorphism. Nice and spacey and dubby.
It`s a very hard thing to do anything different within, Dub-Techno. Everything sounds kinda the same but if you deviate too much from that same-ness it becomes something else.
I tried something with a project on a label called runes, years back (2011), recording under the name Thurisaz, to mix industrial and noise with dub techno.
youtu.be/tCwY7f0vjvA
I`d like to return to the project one day, I think DubTechno is ripe for some injection of change somehow.
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Moderate cuts and boosts so everything sits nicely next to each other on the frequency spectrum. Some overlap is fine, but a lot of mud issues can be dealt with via some judicious (but light handed) EQ work.TvSkY wrote:but on the crappo systems , headphones , shitty speakers , the car , it gets muddy.....
whats the secret ?
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The problem with "muddyness" comes from the 200-500hz range and not really the low lows.
You can have phat bass down to 30hz and all will be fine as long as you pay attention to the 200-500hz range, be extra stringent.
You can have phat bass down to 30hz and all will be fine as long as you pay attention to the 200-500hz range, be extra stringent.
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thanks for the suggestions . ive been cutting a bit less , sort of 30hz and under and working on the upper mids
these are just my rough soundcloud finalizations of coarse , anything that ends up anywhere I send out raw 24bit wavs for some one else to master
and yes ambient dub techno does sort of sound the same , but thats its charm also . you can just let them meld together and drift away . its not as much a genre of specific defining tracks as it is one of general stylistic groups of music . to an extent anyway
these are just my rough soundcloud finalizations of coarse , anything that ends up anywhere I send out raw 24bit wavs for some one else to master
and yes ambient dub techno does sort of sound the same , but thats its charm also . you can just let them meld together and drift away . its not as much a genre of specific defining tracks as it is one of general stylistic groups of music . to an extent anyway
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"Dub techno" dnb sounds pretty bad, imo. I can't think of anything Samurai have put out that fits that description either.dubdub wrote: I guess Drum&Bass has been moving a bit in that direction though, with labels like Samurai and Hidden Hawaii. I thought this one was pretty neat.
youtu.be/_Kj2dI7nBKQ
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I love Samurai, Samurai Horo in particular. But yeah, wouldn`t say it was dub. It definitely has post-dubstep influences though.
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Oh, I forgot to clarify, obviously i've heard the term bass music before, I was just curious about your definition since in my mind there's not that much dub-techno influenced stuff in that sphere. I don't know, I guess for me dub-techno ie. stuff in the chord-based BC legacy and dubbed-out techno (in the production technique sense) can be two different things.Lost to the Void wrote:Well it covers a wide area, it`s the post-dubstep stuff basically. It crosses in to house, garage, grime, dubstep, techno, but it has a sort of garage root to it, within that there is a ton of dub influenced stuff.dubdub wrote:What do you mean by "bass music"?
there was a lovely hing on Apollo recently Sieren - Static Polymorphism. Nice and spacey and dubby.
That Sieren release is quite nice, it sounds quite future-garage-ish to me though. Reminds me of Clubroot a bit.