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TimBuys wrote:It's a weird way of thinking to me, linking the amount of drugs you can handle with your character.

Sounds logical to me. If it agrees with you fine, if it doesn't, well maybe try something else. Not rocket science ..

intrusav wrote:

TimBuys wrote:It's a weird way of thinking to me, linking the amount of drugs you can handle with your character.

Sounds logical to me ..

Care to expand on that? It's cool to make a statement and all, but it's even more fun when others understand your train of thought .

Strength of mind. How do you know just what your character is capable of if you've never talked down a man pointing a shotgun at you whilst you are blitzed on rizla dipped in liquid acid, or negotiated with a police area chief whilst on a cocktail of lsd, mushroom tea and pure mdma?

Lost to the Void wrote: Not having kids so...

However, I'm going to make sure when my niece's get high, it's in a club where I am there, and I know where they are getting their shit from.
Taking one of them to their first big party on NYE, so that will be my chance.

I like being the wildcard uncle. I can do and say shit their folks can't.

last night I was at a concert, and just in front of me there were 2 young girls (18, 19 ? no idea, definitely not like 16 or something), and this old guy standing next to them, constantly fiddling with his cheap-ass earplugs,
after a moment or two I realized it was their dad accompanying his daughters.
He looked so helpless... I couldn't help but thinking :
man, I can understand you don't want your young daughters alone in the center of Bxl at night,
but if you feel so uncomfortable, drop 'm off, go get a few beers or something in the nice cosy pub across the street,
and pick 'm up again when the concert is finished.

Anyway, having kids myself, and knowing far too well how to party, I fear the day I need to explain to my girls that I don't know all this knowledge about stuff just from books.
I got 4 godchildren, and I plan to take each of them (when they're like 16 or 17) for a week or so on the camino
(hoping to teach them that nothing is more important than nice weather, good company, some great food, and a roof above your head at night, everything else is only a nice extra) before I give them a nice savings account they don't know exists.
Honestly, I don't think I can walk and talk for days without at some point telling them about my own experiences,
and what they should watch out for.

i would also say, that having a period where you just bomb yourself out of everything can be a very good experience in life.
in my case there was no way around it anyway. i was attracted by the feeling of beeing high so extremely, i would have got into it at some point or another anyway. Its some kind of escapism, surely, but thats exactly what i demmanded from my life as a 20 year old. Like gravity or something.

Also the getting back from the holes you can fall in, and obviously will when you use substances in a extreme way, is the point where you really learn something. about yourself, about others. i would not recommend it to do something like this on purpose, as it can be a fall into a bottomless abyss ofc. nevertheless i think everyone can make it, if they arrived in that situation in the first place, which is a subconcious choice somehow.

But i think that this kind of process happens to so many people for a reason. i see it as some kind of initiation into adulthood. knowing yourself, knowing your borders, learn to take responsability for yourself.
You are really at a different point as before the extreme use, its not just a getting back to normal thing.

In different cultures there might be initiation rituals for that, but when your a young weirdo living in alienated surroundings something like partying with extreme use of substances might be exactly the thing that will happen in your life.

i dont see it as something neccesarily good or bad. and i dont think that the concept of moderation will get you anywhere, when your personality and your surroundings are just not allowing it. anyway its a big learning process and iam glad that i took the route i took. everyone should be able to say that, no matter what kind of experiences he/she might have had.

i've been on a bit of a mission in the last year or 2 or 3 . drinking far to often. i like doing it, but i'm at the point of not wanting to do it as much again. ive put on weight that i want to lose etc. i was basically drinking 5 nights a week, the weekends during the day from 12 to 12, just pacing myself like. ive built up a bit of a resistance to it and need to drink more to get drunk lol. thats not a good situation lol. also i've been smoking weed fairly regularly the last few years. im 36 ffs. i need to sort myself out ...

is it Gin o'clock already?

In December I could just drink constantly.

A wise man once said: The dosage is the poison...

I'm with Steve on this topic. I remember when I was a kid, I was so insecure, so afraid and got no self esteem at all. After blowing my brain out for 15 years and hitting rock bottom I really know who I am and what I'm capable of.

I turned out to be a lovely dude (as far as people telling me ).

Mono-xID wrote:A wise man once said: The dosage is the poison...

I'm with Steve on this topic. I remember when I was a kid, I was so insecure, so afraid and got no self esteem at all. After blowing my brain out for 15 years and hitting rock bottom I really know who I am and what I'm capable of.

I turned out to be a lovely dude (as far as people telling me ).

Yo yo, we are all waiting for pt2 of your story man!

jordanneke wrote:

Mono-xID wrote:A wise man once said: The dosage is the poison...

I'm with Steve on this topic. I remember when I was a kid, I was so insecure, so afraid and got no self esteem at all. After blowing my brain out for 15 years and hitting rock bottom I really know who I am and what I'm capable of.

I turned out to be a lovely dude (as far as people telling me ).

Yo yo, we are all waiting for pt2 of your story man!

yeah lovely dude,
we're waiting !

Ahhh fuck...yeah completely missed that. Will do so. Which thread was it again gentlemen?

Mono-xID wrote:Ahhh fuck...yeah completely missed that. Will do so. Which thread was it again gentlemen?

http://subsekt.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8868

I think that's the one!

Hades wrote:

Yeah man its always five o'clock when you want it to be.

Hades wrote:Anyway, having kids myself, and knowing far too well how to party, I fear the day I need to explain to my girls that I don't know all this knowledge about stuff just from books.

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/heal ... 1103103498

this is the way...

[wesellboxes] wrote:

Hades wrote:Anyway, having kids myself, and knowing far too well how to party, I fear the day I need to explain to my girls that I don't know all this knowledge about stuff just from books.

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/heal ... 1103103498

lol!

TimBuys wrote:It's a weird way of thinking to me, linking the amount of drugs you can handle with your character. I'd definitely be concerned about my state of mind in regular life. Fucking up your dopamine system can happen to anyone. Or that's at least what I believe.

Yeah, that's quite a haphazard way of defining character I would say. You'll experience much harder situations in your life sober that demands character compared when drugged up on the dancefloor or wherever.

MDMA is not that addictive though, but I'd guess it can be traumatic. Even though recent clinical research shows that MDMA is very succesful in curing PTSD. Just as LSD is in curing anxiety/depression.

Amøbe wrote:

Barfunkel wrote:I've never seen any studies about what kind of drugs (alcohol included) people use, how much and what music they like to listen to and do these correlate in some way. It'd be super interesting to read such a thing actually and see how well the stereotypes match the reality. Very difficult to make such a survey though, for obvious reasons (ie. if I start asking random people on the street what drugs they use getting realistic results is close to impossible, as people have very good reasons to lie or downplay their use).


Based on my own experiences I haven't found much correlation between substance abuse amounts and music taste. If anything, people who use tons of heavy drugs or are proper alcoholics don't tend to be clubbers (come to think of it, every single problem user or a drug related death are rock or pop people...). There's of course some correlation on which drugs are used and how are they used. Clubbers do it pretty openly in the public, which is why they have a bad rep. People in to reggae, for example, of course use more weed than speed or e, but since weed use in a public gig gets you very easily caught, you don't see reggae clubs where everyone is smoking a joint.

There are quite a few surveys done on this - if I have time in the near future, I will try and find some.

But your experiences mimic my observations quite well. I do think there's a much more liberal stance on mind-altering (and illegal) substances in the club scene compared to others. But with that said the culture of being under the influence is drastically different from say the punk scene. Where other scenes really celebrate the "death drive" and make people like GG Allin a sort of Martyr, I don't see the clubbers celebrate the danger aspect of all substances. Instead, it's the mind-altering state, which is celebrated. And here alcohol provides a bit of a problem... it tires you if you become too drunk. I don't do drugs (I have a pretty huge fear about taking something I'm not sure what is), but when I go clubbing I also try not to get super drunk (compared to me sitting in a bodega with a friend) because then I can't last all night.

So if we discussed this in regards of a culture of intoxication, I would say that the club culture is less extreme than most other cultures (especially here in Denmark, where we love to celebrate to blackout drunk)

I'd say the drug use in the early rave days was pretty widespread and extreme, maybe more so in the UK than in Denmark, but still.

MDMA is a hightened sensory experience drug that inhibits aggression, or so it feels anyway. The sex drive goes down, so it has often been described as a more communal, even feminine drug and perhaps related the ancient practice of shamanism - although that probably demands the psychedelic/entheogenic (divine/spiritual) experience which MDMA hardly provides on its own. In this sense drug use within the rave (maybe more so than the 'club') scene is more extreme than,say, in the rock'n'roll culture where alcohol and speed fuels more aggressive-masculine behaviour, something that is tolerated and easier 'understood' by the mainstream culture.

Simon Reynolds wrote quite a lot about the music/drug/technology interface back in the 90/00s and how they influenced and was dependent on eachother. Was pretty interesting and worth checking out.

I definitely agree with letting go at some point in your life and just having fun exploring the depths of your mind with mind-altering substances.

That being said, theres going crazy and just being stupid... which can lead you down a bad slope if youre not careful.

Stay safe is all im saying you crazy cunts.