has the internet sanitised and denuded techno?

[Pelecaras]

while I procrastinated over some work tonight, I went on soundcloud and searched the term 'techno'
what arose from my search wasn't techno at all but a mixture of house and fucking god forbid.......... EDM!!!!
This got me thinking as to the effect of the internet, social media etc on techno (and underground dance music as a whole)
I think the internet has undoubtedly got some practical uses (besides porn) but in my opinion it has distorted the idea of what techno is.
some may argue that's a good thing but I have held techno dear since I was 16 (a very long time ago) and sometimes I fear that what people are being fed by soundcloud, buttport etc is misleading as to what techno is (I'm sure you've all come across those fucking 'hands up techno' mixes on youtube AND THE FUCKWITS WHO SWEAR BLIND IT IS TECHNO)
I am a techno fascist, I want techno to BE techno. I hear a lot of so called techno that in my opinion is actually house (even on subsekt) and even EDM that is called techno (punishable by death when I become all-powerful!!!)
I really feel that the internet has some part to play but i am curious as to what others think about the problem and the cause.
I know that some on here have been into techno since before the internet became omnipresent and others are very much of the internet generation but I'm interested if others think it's a problem or a good thing.
As far as I am concerned, in a parallel universe without the internet there is no deadmaus!

[collide]

The internet can distort everything (besides porn) - it's not the real world.

[The_G]

This isn't new. In the 1990s, pretty much any kind of electronic music was described as "techno" by people who don't listen to electronic music. It's just luddites being luddites.

[Mono-xID]

This isn't new. In the 1990s, pretty much any kind of electronic music was described as "techno" by people who don't listen to electronic music. It's just luddites being luddites.

+1. Got nothing to do with internet. 2 Unlimited and all the other cheesy Eurodance crap was called techno. Marusha "Somewhere over the rainbow", The Smurfs techno album was the shit back then.

[jordanneke]

Does it really matter what other people that you've never met call something?

I mean, where does house end and techno begin. Where does techno end and industrial begin?

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

[Mono-xID]

Does it really matter what other people that you've never met call something?

I mean, where does house end and techno begin. Where does techno end and industrial begin?

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

You is a wise lion. Jah bless

[Will Frances]

You sound quite elitist, cross pollination and bastardisation has been around from before humans existed. Mass consumption or bubble to the surface success will always distort people's perception, especially in a 'tag' conscious world where everyone needs to put something in a box to compartmentalise and digest it

[Mslwte]

This isn't new. In the 1990s, pretty much any kind of electronic music was described as "techno" by people who don't listen to electronic music. It's just luddites being luddites.

+1. Got nothing to do with internet. 2 Unlimited and all the other cheesy Eurodance crap was called techno. Marusha "Somewhere over the rainbow", The Smurfs techno album was the shit back then.

Pretty much what I was going to say.

[Mattias]

Yeah nothing new. We who been into the scene for a long time always tried to educate people that 2 Unlimited and similar was Techno hehe

[Chizmata]

Yeah nothing new. We who been into the scene for a long time always tried to educate people that 2 Unlimited and similar was Techno hehe

"Techno Techno Techno Techno" (Ray (2 Unlimited): No Limits; ZYX 1992)

[Mslwte]

youtu.be/uMEYr5vbUZo

Proper

[Pelecaras]

Does it really matter what other people that you've never met call something?

I mean, where does house end and techno begin. Where does techno end and industrial begin?

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

Nope it doesn't really matter at all, I was just interested to hear other views about it.
It doesn't keep me awake at night mate....I already have plenty of demons to do that.

[Pelecaras]

You sound quite elitist, cross pollination and bastardisation has been around from before humans existed. Mass consumption or bubble to the surface success will always distort people's perception, especially in a 'tag' conscious world where everyone needs to put something in a box to compartmentalise and digest it

I'm elitist as fuck!!!!!
what could be wrong with that?

[Pelecaras]

Sums me up perfectly

[Stace]

It is the sheeples fault.

[sinesnsnares]

Eh, I wasn't around before the internet, but it does seem like techno is on an upswing. Which means there's definitely going to be some more commercial, digestible sounds for people who came over from big-future house-tech-room-whatever-the-fuck. but then again, guess i can't really complain, since i discovered techno through the internet, and as always, started with the commercial sounds.

[Lost to the Void]

In short... No.
Techno has always been a ambiguous term, it's what makes the music great, it remains amorphous and absorbs other genres into itself.

There is more information now, and of course, shit floats to the top. So the shit is more present in our view, if you only look at the obvious flashy lights.
But there is great great music out there, and it's actually easier to access that great music.

[Lost to the Void]

Does it really matter what other people that you've never met call something?

I mean, where does house end and techno begin. Where does techno end and industrial begin?

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

House and techno... Hard to distinguish.
But industrial and techno... Worlds apart.
Industrial music comes from a philosophy of not doing what is done.
So any techno that claims to be industrial isn't. It might be influenced, but it isn't industrial.
And I don't remove the more industrial influenced stuff I make from that statement.
If I made true industrial music it would not be mixable or appropriate in a techno context.

Erm.... So there.

[Pelecaras]

In short... No.
Techno has always been a ambiguous term, it's what makes the music great, it remains amorphous and absorbs other genres into itself.

There is more information now, and of course, shit floats to the top. So the shit is more present in our view, if you only look at the obvious flashy lights.
But there is great great music out there, and it's actually easier to access that great music.

I'm not against the Internet. I just wish that shit was labelled correctly, I don't want to pick up baked beans and get spaghetti hoops.

[Lost to the Void]

In short... No.
Techno has always been a ambiguous term, it's what makes the music great, it remains amorphous and absorbs other genres into itself.

There is more information now, and of course, shit floats to the top. So the shit is more present in our view, if you only look at the obvious flashy lights.
But there is great great music out there, and it's actually easier to access that great music.

I agree that it is easier to access good music due to t'internet, I also agree that there IS quality out there (if looked for) but to me personally techno is not an ambiguous term.
I suppose that is my point really...the Internet is home to confusion of genres. Years ago if I picked up a house mix I knew it would be house....when me and mates swapped techno mix tapes I knew it would be techno. Nowdays I click on a link to a techno mix tape and it isn't techno, it's house. Too much information leads to disinformation and confusion.

I'm not against the Internet at all I just wish that shit was labelled correctly, I don't want to pick up baked beans and get spaghetti hoops.

Nope.
It's always been that way.
Back in the early to mid 90s in the UK, techno mixes were quite different to the US, purely Detroit based stuff and some said the same thing.
There was more variety in the UK sound, taking in more german stuff, dutch stuff, UK trance that was also techno.
It was no different in the late 90s. You had the very a wide swing within techno, from Chris cowie doing a very smooth melodic sound edging towards trance and house, right through to drizzly music releases the hardest of schranze.
There has always been a smearing between house and techno. A lot of Detroit techno DJs would put jacking Chicago house in to their sets. People like Paul Mac and Ben Sims have always done this, as has Carl Cox etc.


I don't see anything as being different other than that techno is much more popular and commercialised these days, so the commercial side of it has gone really commercial and is a lot more visible.

Maybe you just have a narrow interpretation of what techno is.