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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:14 am 
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Hades wrote:
may I ask : how do you keep track of all the tracks on your vinyl collection ?

Excellent question.

A track has myriad of candidate identifying attributes (metadata), the simplest being the name of the track. Many tracks have the same name (some have no name at all), so uniquely identifying a track requires a graph of attributes, e.g. artist → release title → track. Then there's the track itself, the music: composition, arrangement, structure, instrumentation and so on, based on what you hear, stored and recalled by auditive memory. It would be a superhuman feat of cognitive mastery to remember each and every track in just one dimension (like name), let alone multiple due to the combinatory multiplication of data points to memorize if required to uniquely identify a track. Techniques used by the best memorizers at the World Memory Championships are useless - it would require an individual with an eidetic (photographic) memory (which is a neuromyth, no confirmed instances exist). The simplest answer therefore is that I don't, if keeping track means recalling a specific track's metadata from memory - so I've externalized it to Discogs. I remember enough metadata to impress people, but definitely not everything.

How do I locate a record with a specific track? I usually remember at least the label, narrowing the search space. Labels mostly have an identifying sound/genre signature, so this applies when I remember what the track sounds like. I have grouped records by label and clustered labels by top-level genre (techno, electro, IDM...) on the shelves, so if I remember only the music and it's techno, sometimes I have to do an exhaustive manual search of the techno shelves.

How do I choose records for a set (at a party)? Cherry-picking the ones I know well, then listening/playing through others, lather, rinse repeat. I always have from two to five times more records required for the slot's duration, allowing me to adapt the set's dramatic arc, mood and intensity if required. I almost never fixate on specific tracks when selecting material for a set; the process is more heuristic, guided by levity/intensity, simplicity/complexity, tension/release, flow/continuity... The only tracks I deliberately choose are the first and last ones, the void between them is filled dynamically in situ behind the decks.

Do I unintentionally acquire duplicates? Rarely, but yes.

If this didn't answer what you had in mind, please elaborate and I'll respond.

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a good DJ friend of mine once told me it's a good idea to put your collection to private.
He once had someone break into his apartment and steal all the most valuable ones.

Burglaries are mostly crimes of opportunity and targeted operations to acquire a specific item are exceedingly rare. Nevertheless, from a risk assessment standpoint this is a valid concern, but the base level of physical security in Finland is very high, especially in urban areas. The probability and risk of fire in our apartment is much higher, as is the possibility of me getting run over by a car. I also have some extra security measures in place.

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you can really tell you had a classical training when you listen to your tracks btw,
lovely work on your melodies.

Thank you.

Cheers, Nuutti.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:09 pm 
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dcom wrote:

How do I locate a record with a specific track? I usually remember at least the label, narrowing the search space. Labels mostly have an identifying sound/genre signature, so this applies when I remember what the track sounds like. I have grouped records by label and clustered labels by top-level genre (techno, electro, IDM...) on the shelves, so if I remember only the music and it's techno, sometimes I have to do an exhaustive manual search of the techno shelves.

How do I choose records for a set (at a party)? Cherry-picking the ones I know well, then listening/playing through others, lather, rinse repeat. I always have from two to five times more records required for the slot's duration, allowing me to adapt the set's dramatic arc, mood and intensity if required. I almost never fixate on specific tracks when selecting material for a set; the process is more heuristic, guided by levity/intensity, simplicity/complexity, tension/release, flow/continuity... The only tracks I deliberately choose are the first and last ones, the void between them is filled dynamically in situ behind the decks.

Do I unintentionally acquire duplicates? Rarely, but yes.

If this didn't answer what you had in mind, please elaborate and I'll respond.


This most certainly answered my question, even more than my question, and I very much salute you for your eloquence, dear sir ! (always nice to meet another well educated mind)
Other than your eloquence, I'm always happy whenever I see a person not afraid to write a proper, lengthy reply.
(if you've looked around on subsekt long enough, you might know I'm not exactly a person of few words myself)

I have bought the same record twice before. It just happens when you buy that much, especially if you buy sooner than you can find the time to organize it all. I stopped buying records the last year or so (apart from the odd one here or there that I simply can't resist) because my finances weren't the best, and mainly because I'm still trying to find the time to get everything organized from the years that I went nuts.

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Burglaries are mostly crimes of opportunity and targeted operations to acquire a specific item are exceedingly rare. Nevertheless, from a risk assessment standpoint this is a valid concern, but the base level of physical security in Finland is very high, especially in urban areas. The probability and risk of fire in our apartment is much higher, as is the possibility of me getting run over by a car. I also have some extra security measures in place.


well, any burglar here could easily get more money from my studio than my record collection (it's a 3 to 1 ratio if I make a wild guess) but that would mean they'd have to be able to disconnect all the cables, carry all the heavy shit outside, and then sell the rare shit (with serial numbers registered) somewhere where it doesn't get noticed.
I think it's a lot harder to sell my gear than some of my records.

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Hades wrote:
you can really tell you had a classical training when you listen to your tracks btw,
lovely work on your melodies.

Thank you.

Cheers, Nuutti.


I come from the same background. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: New members say hello...
PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:18 pm 
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so I've externalized it to Discogs.


You mean you have made notes on every record you have into discogs ?
That's what I'm doing as well, next to putting labels on my records (or better : the protection sleeves) so I know from both discogs and my record sleeves what to expect.
The short descriptions Hard Wax usually uses to describe their records was a big help in labeling them.

But even with all that, I still find it difficult to remember most tracks, especially since we love (mainly) electronic music and track titles or artist names can be pretty anonymous to remember.
I suppose you have to really take out several hours a week to organize and memorize it all,
but I currently don't have the time, and I find myself lacking enough space in my brain to keep enough track of it all.
I guess it's not helpful that I'm also a big reader and a huge filmfreak, so that another big part of my memory is occupied with storing that data.

In what year were you in Ibiza ? You mentioned new beat, and since I'm from Belgium and old enough, I do remember that era, but I never knew this even got to Ibiza at some point.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:12 pm 
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Hades wrote:
You mean you have made notes on every record you have into discogs ?

No, I don't. If there's immutable, quantitative data like the number of a numbered release, I add the number in a comment. If an artist signs a record, I not the time and place where it was signed. Qualitative comments are not immutable, so I find no value in writing them down.

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But even with all that, I still find it difficult to remember most tracks, especially since we love (mainly) electronic music and track titles or artist names can be pretty anonymous to remember.

I used to remenber my favourite labels' releases and recite them from memory in catalog code order. I was giddy with delight when I understood the semantics of catalog codes, how they encode identity, chronology, continuity and other bits of useful information, physically engraved in the silent space between the runout grooves. Need to recommend a white label record to a friend? It's on label X, catalog code N, first track on side A. Are there any digital white label releases on Discogs?

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I guess it's not helpful that I'm also a big reader and a huge filmfreak, so that another big part of my memory is occupied with storing that data.

Et tu, Brute?

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In what year were you in Ibiza ? You mentioned new beat, and since I'm from Belgium and old enough, I do remember that era, but I never knew this even got to Ibiza at some point.

1989. I was 14 and back then I didn't even know what to call the music I heard there, but the experience was irreversibly transformative. I was already into electronic music, having found Kraftwerk, Jarre, Isao Tomita and the likes several years earlier, but dance music was defined primarily by MTV (and its predecessors like Music Box) and local no-license underage clubs I frequented, a potpourri of various genres of popular music. I bought some mixtapes, brought them home and proceeded to annihilate them by listening to them over, and over, and over until they gave up the ghost; during that phase I started to notice that both MTV and the club DJs would occasionally drop tracks that sounded like the ones I had heard in Ibiza and on the mixtapes. 808 State's Cubik, Stakker Humanoid, Confetti's The Sound of C, Pump Up The Volume by M.A.R.R.S. among others. MTV's Party Zone was manna from heaven and I recorded the shows on VHS and created my own compilations using two VCRs and bit by bit learned genres, artists and tracks, harassed the club DJs by requesting obscure tracks by name and asking for track IDs - I was a bloody nuisance - and then one of the DJs gave me the last piece of the puzzle. He told me to go to a local record store (the largest) and find a section labeled "12"/maxi/EP dance imports", and that became the point of no return: a wall of records in white sleeves, with white labels, some blank, some with stamped or hand-written information, some in printed sleeves - and a turntable with headphones for listening.

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 Post subject: Re: New members say hello...
PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:17 pm 
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dcom wrote:
Et tu, Brute?


That's Shakespeare's version.
The Latin version, according to the history books is "tu quoque, Brute fili mi!"
or according to Suetonius : "καὶ σὺ τέκνον;"
but you'll have to excuse me for being anal here ;)

If you want to share, I'd love to hear some of your record tips. No doubt someone with your collection (and DJ hours) must have some hidden gems to recommend to others.

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1989. I was 14 and back then I didn't even know what to call the music I heard there, but the experience was irreversibly transformative. I was already into electronic music, having found Kraftwerk, Jarre, Isao Tomita and the likes several years earlier, but dance music was defined primarily by MTV (and its predecessors like Music Box) and local no-license underage clubs I frequented, a potpourri of various genres of popular music. I bought some mixtapes, brought them home and proceeded to annihilate them by listening to them over, and over, and over until they gave up the ghost; during that phase I started to notice that both MTV and the club DJs would occasionally drop tracks that sounded like the ones I had heard in Ibiza and on the mixtapes. 808 State's Cubik, Stakker Humanoid, Confetti's The Sound of C, Pump Up The Volume by M.A.R.R.S. among others.


hah, the Confetti's, not too many fond memories of that stuff, tbh.
As a Belgian, I'm a lot more proud of Front 242 for example...
but yeah, I used to play with my lego's while listening to a tape of Jarre's Oxygène and Equinox though... :)

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 Post subject: Re: New members say hello...
PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:49 pm 
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Hello all, I've been on this forum for I think almost 3 years now and I never introduced myself and for that I apologize.

(I've actually only been to this side of the forum once before to check out the summer meet thread, (grow the fuck up guy's!) :D

My name is Oskar, 36 year old from Iceland. My motto is be nice, to everybody. Until they screw you then of course bash their brains in.

I have been producing on and off since '99. I started earlier with trackers at around 8 or 9 years old but I had no idea how to use them so I never really learned anything.

Anyway my life has been fucked the last few years for reasons I'm not going into here but what has kept me going has been making Techno.

I've been doing basically nothing else since new years eve 2014.
I promised myself that night that I was going to make a lot of music and I have stood by it,
man do I remember how fucking shit that tune was that new years eve.

And probably the next 200-300 loops/songs I made, utter shite. But I kept going even though it was tough at times but I just thought of it as going to the gym, practice.(I fkn hate gyms)

Now probably 700-800 16 bar loops later I'm at a point where I'm getting satisfied with my music.(well most of the time anyways)
I just kept making 16 bar loops until I came up with something I liked and then I'd try stretching that loop into a song.

Last year I had my debut release on a German label and soon two more of my tracks will be released, this time a newly formed Australian label.

This has been my dream since I was a kid and it's finally within grasp, I first got "signed" when I was 18 with a Drum and Bass label in Manchester but I fucked that up by going home for Christmas and not keeping in touch nor going back to the UK. Somewhere along the line I had lost sight of my lifelong dream....Wish I could go back and bitch slap the 18 year old me and say "Wtf u doing?!" :D

Anyway I just wanted to say thank you all for the great advice/feedback/insults that you receive here and remember, never ever give up on your dreams and don't let anyone stop you in doing what you love.

Have a great day people.

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