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 Post subject: Re: A subsekt remix competition?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:35 pm 
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totalcult wrote:
^ I really like this updated version!!

I took a stab at Hades' tune. It doesn't feel very 'techno' TBH - sort of went off at a tangent!

Here 'tis FWIW:


Really digging this! The only thing that is up for improvement is, as Hades already mentioned, is the repeated vocal. Nice job!


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:57 pm 
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vo0doo wrote:

Worked on this one a little longer, and with lots of resampling since this old computer I'm on now is....well.... really.....slow....(built it somewhere around 2008 I think)
It's really been testing my patience, and I miss my regular fx and synths on this machine, but I think it did come out at least half decent.
Now starting with the Hades remix.


I think the mix gets a bit cluttered at some point which takes away from the groove. Mixing is by no means my strong suit but this is just my personal observation :). Otherwise, you did a great job at making something completely different out of the track. Cool stuff.


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Basically one pattern live jam...



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splitcane wrote:
Basically one pattern live jam...



Track has a nice dark vibe to it. I really like that drum pattern, gives the track a nice forward drive. I think some of your bass noises definitely needs some EQ because they are a bit rough around the edges.



Here is my remix of Mattias track. The result of my remix is an attempt to try to incorporate some new techniques like the vocal sample running at different pitches and making the track more "spacey" than the original. I think like with most of my other tracks, what's missing is a strong backbone like a solid groove. Also the bassline could have been a bit fuller with a better pattern? Please grill my track so I can learn :-).

https://soundcloud.com/tim-buysman/matt ... ix/s-x6vkq

I'm not going to work like a crazy person to try to make the track because it's also a learning process for me to move on after "completing" a track. Instead I will move on to Hades track and see what I can come up with!


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 Post subject: Re: A subsekt remix competition?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:39 am 
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Here is my remix of Mattias track. The result of my remix is an attempt to try to incorporate some new techniques like the vocal sample running at different pitches and making the track more "spacey" than the original. I think like with most of my other tracks, what's missing is a strong backbone like a solid groove. Also the bassline could have been a bit fuller with a better pattern? Please grill my track so I can learn :-).

https://soundcloud.com/tim-buysman/matt ... ix/s-x6vkq


first of all, I'm not listening to this in my studio. It's fucking crazy hot in there so for about 2 weeks now I've been waiting for better weather before I get back in there. It also doesn't help that I can't really leave the window open in there to cool things down because of the small chance I'll forget (I forget things all the time) and it might start raining and the damage will be huge since a lot of power strips are within range from the window.
So anyway, I'm listening on headphones. Not saying I don't know these, but they really are unrepresentative to the usual way I can listen to tracks.

I think the first thing I would say is that the mix sounds a bit muddy. Not too much, but a bit.
The hihats could be way better defined. Same for the other percussion.
The low end most definitely isa bit muddy.
I really like the sub, though I think most part of that comes from the original, right ? It's been a few weeks since I heard the original.

I'm not a big fan of the low vocals, I think that kind of thing has been a bit overdone to me. But you did do this very well !! So this is personal taste, not really a point of criticism.

Most of all, I find it interesting how you slowed this track down and still kept the groove going ! Very well done !
Also, your arrangement was really excellent !

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 Post subject: Re: A subsekt remix competition?
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I apologize if I can't give more detailed feedback, but these headphones suck (classic HD25) compared to what I can hear on my monitors upstairs. But yeah, the heat is killing me at the moment.

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 Post subject: Re: A subsekt remix competition?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:35 pm 
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Hades wrote:
TimBuys wrote:
Here is my remix of Mattias track. The result of my remix is an attempt to try to incorporate some new techniques like the vocal sample running at different pitches and making the track more "spacey" than the original. I think like with most of my other tracks, what's missing is a strong backbone like a solid groove. Also the bassline could have been a bit fuller with a better pattern? Please grill my track so I can learn :-).

https://soundcloud.com/tim-buysman/matt ... ix/s-x6vkq


first of all, I'm not listening to this in my studio. It's fucking crazy hot in there so for about 2 weeks now I've been waiting for better weather before I get back in there. It also doesn't help that I can't really leave the window open in there to cool things down because of the small chance I'll forget (I forget things all the time) and it might start raining and the damage will be huge since a lot of power strips are within range from the window.
So anyway, I'm listening on headphones. Not saying I don't know these, but they really are unrepresentative to the usual way I can listen to tracks.

I think the first thing I would say is that the mix sounds a bit muddy. Not too much, but a bit.
The hihats could be way better defined. Same for the other percussion.
The low end most definitely isa bit muddy.
I really like the sub, though I think most part of that comes from the original, right ? It's been a few weeks since I heard the original.

I'm not a big fan of the low vocals, I think that kind of thing has been a bit overdone to me. But you did do this very well !! So this is personal taste, not really a point of criticism.

Most of all, I find it interesting how you slowed this track down and still kept the groove going ! Very well done !
Also, your arrangement was really excellent !


Yeah the sub is part of the original, I just made a different pattern out of it. Thanks, I agree with you on the vocal part. This was more just me trying it out based on a tip I got on the forum on how to achieve the sound. In a future track, I will use the technique with some more FX/processing to make it more interesting. Thanks for the criticism :)


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 Post subject: Re: A subsekt remix competition?
PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:42 pm 
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TimBuys wrote:
Track has a nice dark vibe to it. I really like that drum pattern, gives the track a nice forward drive. I think some of your bass noises definitely needs some EQ because they are a bit rough around the edges.

Thanks for your feedback. I should have had some self-criticism before posting this, but still I decided, that better to post something now and not just forget the recording on the disk.

Thanks Mattias and Hades for providing your tracks to remix and let us learn. It's impressive how differently people pick the most important parts from the original and when these are translated to express their own vision, the result might be completely different from the original.

TimBuys wrote:
Here is my remix of Mattias track. The result of my remix is an attempt to try to incorporate some new techniques like the vocal sample running at different pitches and making the track more "spacey" than the original. I think like with most of my other tracks, what's missing is a strong backbone like a solid groove. Also the bassline could have been a bit fuller with a better pattern? Please grill my track so I can learn :-).

https://soundcloud.com/tim-buysman/matt ... ix/s-x6vkq

I'm not going to work like a crazy person to try to make the track because it's also a learning process for me to move on after "completing" a track. Instead I will move on to Hades track and see what I can come up with!


I'm just jealous of your production skills. In my opinion the sounds were well separated from each other, as expected in this style of techno. However, I hated the hihat right from the beginning and in my opinion shakers, muffled kickdrums, etc. should be added to add some groove. The current basic beat (kick and hihat) just feel incomplete, when running on top of other-wisely nicely made soundscape and arrangement.


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 Post subject: Re: A subsekt remix competition?
PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:53 pm 
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downloaded the pack, will try somethin with this!

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 Post subject: Re: A subsekt remix competition?
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splitcane wrote:
TimBuys wrote:
Track has a nice dark vibe to it. I really like that drum pattern, gives the track a nice forward drive. I think some of your bass noises definitely needs some EQ because they are a bit rough around the edges.

Thanks for your feedback. I should have had some self-criticism before posting this, but still I decided, that better to post something now and not just forget the recording on the disk.

Thanks Mattias and Hades for providing your tracks to remix and let us learn. It's impressive how differently people pick the most important parts from the original and when these are translated to express their own vision, the result might be completely different from the original.

TimBuys wrote:
Here is my remix of Mattias track. The result of my remix is an attempt to try to incorporate some new techniques like the vocal sample running at different pitches and making the track more "spacey" than the original. I think like with most of my other tracks, what's missing is a strong backbone like a solid groove. Also the bassline could have been a bit fuller with a better pattern? Please grill my track so I can learn :-).

https://soundcloud.com/tim-buysman/matt ... ix/s-x6vkq

I'm not going to work like a crazy person to try to make the track because it's also a learning process for me to move on after "completing" a track. Instead I will move on to Hades track and see what I can come up with!


I'm just jealous of your production skills. In my opinion the sounds were well separated from each other, as expected in this style of techno. However, I hated the hihat right from the beginning and in my opinion shakers, muffled kickdrums, etc. should be added to add some groove. The current basic beat (kick and hihat) just feel incomplete, when running on top of other-wisely nicely made soundscape and arrangement.


Thanks man, but you're giving me too much credit! Glad you decided to join the competition and I appreciate tge feedback! Maybe I will make some improvements to the track later on, but for now I got a bit tired of working on it. Just downloaded the stems of Hades track...


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 Post subject: Re: A subsekt remix competition?
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Here is my attempt to Mattias' remix. Never finished any techno remix so far (or maybe once :) ), but it was quite a nice experience.


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PERIAL wrote:
Here is my attempt to Mattias' remix. Never finished any techno remix so far (or maybe once :) ), but it was quite a nice experience.



You kept it nice and clean. I think I would of liked to hear a little bit more happen, but I suppose keeping it minimal was your objective from the start. x


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You kept it nice and clean. I think I would of liked to hear a little bit more happen, but I suppose keeping it minimal was your objective from the start. x


yes, keeping it minimal was my objective however I freshly listened it today and you were right. So I did some improvements and it should be less boring now. Thanks for your suggestion ;)


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 Post subject: Re: A subsekt remix competition?
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PERIAL wrote:
TimBuys wrote:
You kept it nice and clean. I think I would of liked to hear a little bit more happen, but I suppose keeping it minimal was your objective from the start. x


yes, keeping it minimal was my objective however I freshly listened it today and you were right. So I did some improvements and it should be less boring now. Thanks for your suggestion ;)



I like the adjustments you made, I think it's nicely produced! It's a nice tension builder that would be perfect as the first track of a set, or mabye in a break moment.


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 Post subject: Re: A subsekt remix competition?
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Been messing with this one on and off for a couple of weeks now. Which is a bit longer than I usually work a track, and it's still not 100% where I want it to be but I just can't bring myself to work on it again.

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 Post subject: Re: A subsekt remix competition?
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Was going to wait with posting feedback until everyone that wanted to join had posted their track, but since not much seems to be happening in this topic I'll post it now.

It would be nice if some of the people who were planning to join in/and/or deleted their tracks would still find time to finish what they started, or others who missed the topic the first time around want to join in on the fun.

It's a great way to practice your production skills as there are finished products using the same elements to really give you a target to improve your work. Or you can just fuck up some sounds and enjoy yourself, or maybe even both, imagine that :D


Now, on to the feedback:

Patrick Hughes: the bass and sub seem almost unchanged from the original, which gives the feeling not much effort went into it.

And then the static volume on that house chord thingy you've got going on stands out like a sore thumb, especially since it's a really clean, well behaved sound (it kind of sits in a space of its own, and the notes seem to have the exact same spacing between them). Makes me imagine someone smacking the keyboard as hard as he can for every note while looking like his life depends on it, and in my mind this guy is also wearing thick black rimmed glasses for some reason :P

Those wailing atonal pitched atmos get on my nerves a little, though that's just a taste thing I guess, and maybe because I was already annoyed by the synth stabs, they are worked out pretty well for what they are. Otherwise the mix seems balanced, though the sounds don't really seem to gel as well as they could have. And the arrangement seems to be kind of aimlessly drifting about with some random drops in between.... It is basically a good starting point for something, you would need to make a couple of improvements for sure, but then you could have a solid track here.


Also had something written down about dubdubs attempt, but he wisely deleted it (just as I did with my first one, still working on and off on both of them though) :P


Totalcult: starting out with some cool atmospherics, though I'm not sure whether they really fit with the kick and hihat you've got under/on top of it. I like how you cut up that bass sample and used it in another way, when the bass comes in the track seems to come together a bit more. Still I feel that those floating sounds don't really do much but distract from your groove, I think it's because they are floating about a bit in the spectrum, alternatively weighing down the bass, and then cluttering up the midrange. Those bleepy synth stabs are cool, though they could be worked a little more for my taste. Still that atmospheric sound keeps bothering me, even though it sounds cool in places.

Maybe if you'd have it evolving (much) slower(and back off from the panning for the love of god :v) it could be a
nice addition to the tune.

Your Hades remix is better imo, the vocal could use some work as mentioned, but you've kept the rest nice and
simple, while transforming it into a cool laid back lofi-ish deephouse-ish tune. Just move the kicks around, add a little more swing and you could also have a garage remix :D Some interesting melodies added, if you manage to ignore the vocals this is pretty damn sweet.

You could try just crushing the fuck out of those vocals, (and then turn the volume down to take them off center stage), and throw on a little delay to make them fit the rest of the sounds better. The best/most interesting track here yet imo.


Splitcane: Interesting groove, but straight from the intro I don't think you solely have an eq problem with the
bass. Also an envelope/arrangement issue with the kick/sub, sounds overlapping each other or strange volume
envelope cutoffs or something... But some eq wouldn't hurt either. There's some other bass sweeps in there that are clipping pretty bad, and that looped bass sound (damn that's a lot of basses :v) is just way too static. But since it's a jam I won't go splitting hairs here and leave you alone now :v


TimBuys: First off, thanks for the comments/suggestions, and of course for setting this up. Pretty cool topic you've created here. Now on to your track, when the groove sets out I immediately imagine a snare/percussion just before the second kick, I think that would make it groove nicely and give it some more energy/character, like this it's a bit static. Not completely sure about the way you pitched the vocals, needs at least some additional eq to make it work I think.

Around the 1 minute mark your rhythm comes alive, the sounds could use a little more work to make it grooving as a whole, it sounds nice but it needs some connecting element(like a shaker, maybe), or maybe
just feel like it's all coming from the same space. Maybe ease up a little on the panning, and you could try bussing them together and experiment with some parallel chains.

Interesting the way you've looped the vocal sample btw, when you get it sitting in the mix properly that's going to be a nice bit to act as a bridge between your rhythm sections. Good foundation for a track, but I don't think I have to say anything about the fact that it's not quite finished yet. Would be interesting to hear the final version at some point.

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vo0doo wrote:

Been messing with this one on and off for a couple of weeks now. Which is a bit longer than I usually work a track, and it's still not 100% where I want it to be but I just can't bring myself to work on it again.


I never believe in "competitions", especially when it's about something as subjective as music,
but I honestly think this is the most original remix of this topic so far,
and I'm not saying this because it was done with my track.
You just took the track in a completely different direction, never expected that.

Not in my studio at the moment, so will have to listen again when I'm back from holiday to give some decent feedback.

Also, I had to remove the files from my dropbox to upload that tool mr. Heil made,
so if anyone still wants the files, let me know and I'll put them back when I'm home.

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Glad you like it, I'd say it's kind of a strange one. Started just messing with the sounds when I felt a little....dejected is the word I suppose, and I think it really shows in the general atmosphere.

Just noticed I didn't finish adding the extra sub layer, it seems to be missing in some places.... And that Rhodes (especially the chord stabs) which I unmuted to work on, well...still need some work (for instance they don't really seem to resolve all that great at times, might also be because of a cello-ish synth sound that I added after I muted it :v), some fx flourishes that don't seem to sit quite right yet, and the mix generally isn't all that well balanced in places. They glitchy rhythm has a shitload of work in but really it's not 100% there yet.

And of course there's that grating, distorted pad layer that runs through more than half of the track. I tried reeling it in a bit but decided to leave it, since it really reflects the mood I'm trying to create here, though it does make it a bit challenging to listen to at higher volume....
Not having a decent pitchshifter on this machine didn't really help, some intended mood changes were a bit hard to work out without replacing parts, due to most of the sounds being samples. I could go on for a while, still after all that I feel it does work as is conveying some kind of meaning... The tricky thing is actually getting myself to work on it when I'm in the 'right' state of mind...

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 Post subject: Re: A subsekt remix competition?
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Hey, here's my remix of Mattias' track.
I'm not super happy with how it turned out, but it was great fun and I learned/tried out some new things while working on this.

Feedback on how to improve is still very welcome of course.

https://soundcloud.com/corrosief/mattia ... ix/s-xSzQQ


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