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Basically the mixer I have for my live PA is wonderful BUT not enough buses.

So what I need is

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8-12 Channels.
At least 2 aux buses, send/returns so I can dub mix etc
Small form factor (needs to be portable, will be coming out on the road in custom flight case)
At least 3 band EQ with mid sweep parametric, per channel


New or old, advice e much appreciated.
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Man, I wish I could help you, but I have no idea at all.

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I use a soundcraft efx8 that satisfies those requirements but it might be bigger than what you want - it's not huge though. I'm not sure if you could find a much smaller mixer with all of those features.

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Oh actually looking at it, only has one aux send, so it might not work for you.

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Newer model has two busses though, might be worth checking out. I've always rated Soundcraft stuff as it's decently priced and sounds good.

http://www.soundcraft.com/en/products/mfxi

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terly wrote:Newer model has two busses though, might be worth checking out. I've always rated Soundcraft stuff as it's decently priced and sounds good.

http://www.soundcraft.com/en/products/mfxi
That's actually what I have, the efx8 but it isn't really a 2 buss mixer, size and quality is perfect though.

But those mpmi and mfxi might be just what I need. Subgroups too. Good call!!
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I'm looking at the soundcraft mfxi series myself. Also looking st the A&H zed fx series. Can't speak from experience with either though!

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http://usa.yamaha.com/products/live_sou ... ode=series
I'm looking at the 20 channel version.

http://www.soundcraft.com/en/products/gb2r
looks nice too...

I honestly wouldn't know about these smaller yamaha mixers, but looks just what I need in form.
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i've used a few allen and heaths over the year and they've never let me down - the probably the closest to what you need:

http://www.allen-heath.com/series/wizard/

flexible, build like tanks, plenty of auxes, decent 4-band eq with two sweepable mids, stereo returns, 100mm faders etc. - 14:4:2 prob the best if not too big

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I went for old Mackie 1604VLZ Pro, those desks are compact enough to be considerable for live setup,
16 channels,
4 bus
8 individual outs
Klasik Mackie distortion as a nice bonus (Instant gabber kicks from routing individual outs back to another channel strip) :D

Hope that helps a bit.

PS. Also wanted to say hello, as it's my first post, after half year of stalking around here. :D

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yeah, I really don`t like the sound of mackies, don`t really want to blow 600 quid on a mixer that is going to get absolutely crapped on in clubs.

Going for soundcraft I think, price, size, features and sound all hit the mark.
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Lost to the Void wrote:yeah, I really don`t like the sound of mackies, don`t really want to blow 600 quid on a mixer that is going to get absolutely crapped on in clubs.

Going for soundcraft I think, price, size, features and sound all hit the mark.
Will be curious to hear what you think about it.

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What about the a&h mixwizard?
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If it was for home use I might go with a mix wizard.
But for live PA, it's going to get abused and mixers are a very weak link in the chain when it comes to live gear.
I could buy 2 soundcraft for the price of a mixwizard, which makes replacement a much easier prospect to deal with.
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Lost to the Void wrote:
terly wrote:Newer model has two busses though, might be worth checking out. I've always rated Soundcraft stuff as it's decently priced and sounds good.

http://www.soundcraft.com/en/products/mfxi
That's actually what I have, the efx8 but it isn't really a 2 buss mixer, size and quality is perfect though.

But those mpmi and mfxi might be just what I need. Subgroups too. Good call!!
Plus it has the Custom Karaoke preset which is obviously going to become a secret weapon feature.

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Lost to the Void wrote:yeah, I really don`t like the sound of mackies, don`t really want to blow 600 quid on a mixer that is going to get absolutely crapped on in clubs.
Well, I can't help you with "the sound of the mackies" but you're misunderstood the price range, as I am talking here about VLZ Pro which is from early 2000's USA built.
I got one from Gumtree in London for 250 quid. Easy, rock solid mixer.

If you want it to be soundcraft i would go for M12 but it's out of production as well, and actually hard to find on second hand market.

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P0607r0n wrote:
Lost to the Void wrote:yeah, I really don`t like the sound of mackies, don`t really want to blow 600 quid on a mixer that is going to get absolutely crapped on in clubs.
Well, I can't help you with "the sound of the mackies" but you're misunderstood the price range, as I am talking here about VLZ Pro which is from early 2000's USA built.
I got one from Gumtree in London for 250 quid. Easy, rock solid mixer.

If you want it to be soundcraft i would go for M12 but it's out of production as well, and actually hard to find on second hand market.
Oh you are talking used.
Yeah I have an old M8 actually, fucking massive compared to todays compact mixers, as was the M12.
I`ll take a look on ebay and see what decent old mackies crop up, but size is a big issue and older mixers do tend to be less efficient on space.
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Any specific reason why you wouldn't just request a mixer on your rider? That's what the majority of live acts seem to do. I mean, I imagine everyone has some horror stories regarding that but a club that is too stupid to source a working Soundcraft mixer or something likely has plenty of other issues.

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I been playing live for way too many years to not turn up with everything I need to play.
Experience has taught me that the least fuck ups occur when all I need to do is hand the sound guy my stereo output and that's it.

It's always a good idea to have a technical rider in your booking contract, but they aren't worth the paper they are written on in clubland.
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Any opinions about the Soundcraft Signature series multitrack desks like this one: http://www.soundcraft.com/en/products/signature-22-mtk ??


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